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I suggested on Twitter that Jorge Posada is the most underrated Yankee by Yankees fans of all-time, and received a multitude of responses on the subject. Posada is one of the 3 best catchers of the last 15 years and is a legitimate Hall of Fame candidate, but I find that many Yankees fans just see him as a solid player who was fortunate enough to play on good teams. Here are some other nominations for the most underrated Yankee:

@Cephster: Jimmy Key you almost never hear about him

@rstowe75: Bernie Williams

@eddieperez23: I’d say ARod.

@AndrewLeighNYC: it goes back a ways but Maris, with the tepid support during the HR chase and the Mantle-worshiping

@pmarchione: Mussina

@AndyNY2: Believe it or not, Yogi is underrated. He is revered, but the myths and malapropisms seem to obscure his on-field greatness.

@amolmodi: I’d go with Willie Randolph or Roy White

@Nebkreb: In a way, I think a lot of fans don’t realize how great Gehrig was. Always overshadowed by Babe

@Titan4Ever2488: In a weird way, I think DiMaggio. Obviously revered, but I think he gets obscured by the love affair with Mantle.

Do you agree or disagree with any of these suggestions? Are there others who were not brought up?

(The following is being syndicated from The Captain’s Blog)

When Trevor Hoffman recorded his 600th save back in September, I kind of paid him a backhanded complement by unfavorably comparing him to Mariano Rivera. The intention wasn’t to denigrate Hoffman, who has had a wonderful career, but rebut the notion that put both relievers in the same class. In any event, Hoffman has now officially retired with 601 saves, leaving him just 42 ahead of Rivera, so, when all is said and done, he may eventually find himself looking up at the great Yankees closer in even that regard.

For a fitting tribute to Hoffman, Buster Olney does the job quite well. However, Olney goes way overboard by suggesting he “should be an absolute lock first-ballot Hall of Famer”. Make no mistake about it. Hoffman deserves serious Hall of Fame consideration, and he does seem a fair bet to win eventual enshrinement. However, he is far from a slam dunk candidate.

If Olney is correct, then it will mean that Hall of Famer votes are still fixated on the saves stat. Recent voting trends, however, suggest otherwise. One of the ironies behind the recent elections of Bruce Sutter and Rich Gossage is a greater appreciation of the roles they filled seemed to come at the expense of the value placed on the modern closer. Gossage’s own comments about the evolving role of the reliever have highlighted this give and take.

When Lee Smith first appeared on the ballot in 2003, he was the career saves leader with 478, but only polled 42.3% of the vote. That same year, Sutter (300 saves) earned 53.6%, while Gossage (310 saves) tallied 42.1%. In the intervening years, both Sutter and Gossage earned enshrinement, while Smith’s vote total stagnated (in the most recent election, he polled 45.3%). If saves were the driving factor behind a reliever’s Hall of Fame credentials then wouldn’t Smith have been the more popular candidate?

It should be noted that Hoffman’s 601 saves are almost equal to the totals of Sutter and Gossage combined. So, it is possible that such a large number could hold sway. On the other hand, if Rivera does eventually take the lead, it could remove some of the bloom off that figure by the time five years go by. What’s more, if guys like Francisco Rodriguez (268 saves, 28 years old) and Jonathan Papelbon (188 saves, 29 years old) continue their march to 400 saves by 2016, it could further remove some luster from Hoffman’s 601.

Assuming that saves alone do not a Hall of Fame reliever make, we then need to examine how Hoffman compares to his peers in other regards. As previously mentioned, Rivera really is in a class unto himself, which may or may not impact the consideration of other contemporary relievers. So, where does Hoffman stand among the second tier of modern closers?

The 400 Save Club

  SV G IP ERA+ OPS+ WHIP K/9 WAR
Trevor Hoffman 601 1035 1089.1 141 67 1.058 9.4 30.7
Mariano Rivera 559 978 1150 204 45 1.003 8.2 52.9
Lee Smith 478 1022 1289.1 132 79 1.256 8.7 30.3
John Franco 424 1119 1245.2 138 84 1.333 7 25.8
Billy Wagner 422 853 903 187 48 0.998 11.9 29.7

Source: Baseball-reference.com

Although Hoffman stands atop the list above in saves, he really doesn’t stand out in any other category. In fact, it’s really Billy Wagner who seems to emerge as the leader of the “not Rivera” group. Considering that both Wagner and Hoffman will go on the ballot together, it could be very difficult for either one to distinguish himself enough to earn a first ballot entry.

Post Season Performance of 400 Save Club

  IP W L S ERA IP WHIP
Mariano Rivera 139.2 8 1 42 0.71 139.2 0.766
John Franco 14.1 2 0 1 1.88 14.1 0.977
Trevor Hoffman 13 1 2 4 3.46 13 1.231
Lee Smith 5.1 0 2 1 8.44 5.1 1.875
Billy Wagner 11.2 1 1 3 10.03 11.2 1.971

Source: Baseball-reference.com

Postseason performance is what really allows Rivera to lap the field. Although Hoffman’s 3.46 ERA is respectable, none of the other relievers really have much of a sample to consider. If anything, Hoffman’s high profile blown save in the 1998 World Series could actually work against him, especially among that portion of the electorate that seems fixated on moments (see Jack Morris).

One final note of warning regarding Hoffman’s Hall of Fame chances comes from the results of the 2011 ballot. John Franco, who is a worthy comparable to Hoffman, not only did poorly in the polling, but actually fell off the ballot with only 4.6% of the vote. Although not 601, Franco’s save total is still fourth all-time, and that obviously had little sway with the voters.

Is Trevor Hoffman a Hall of Famer? At this point in time, I think it is too difficult to tell. What he is not, however, is a lock, and particularly not a first ballot lock. In the wake of a player’s retirement, many can be prone to exaggeration. That’s why the Hall of Fame makes its electorate wait five years before casting a ballot.

Jan 122011

The story of 2010 in the Yankee farm system was no doubt, “The Killer B’s all break out.” It provided a huge dose of excitement for us Yankee fans that had been missing (besides Jesus Montero talk) since Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, and Ian Kennedy were coming up. We probably shouldn’t expect 2011 to go as well as 2010 did, but who will be the Killer Bs of 2011? After the them and Jesus Montero exit the farm system, who will  provide the excitement? Here are my three candidates.

The Favorite: Gary Sanchez – Gary Sanchez rightfully earns a lot of comparisons to Jesus Montero. Montero is arguably the top, or at least a top-5, prospect in all of baseball. He put up a phenomenal .329/.393/.543 batting line in his 17 year-old, 47-game debut. Some would call this a breakout, but I wouldn’t go so far. 47 games is a very short time, and Sanchez has a lot to work on (namely strikeouts), even if he proved that the raw talent is definitely there to a big time prospect. However, it is also worth remembering that Sanchez is a bit of a different prospect than Montero. Jesus Montero had a natural, raw talent for hitting that shone through even when he was 17 years old and not particularly blowing the ball out of the ballpark yet, coupled with massive defensive questions. Sanchez, on the other hand, is a much better overall athlete without (as far as we know, at least) the natural affinity for hitting that Montero brings. We should worry much less about his defensive abilities, but a little bit more about his ability to adapt to more advanced pitching. Still, nothing to worry about. Chances are he’ll be your top prospect a year from now.

The Underdog: Slade Heathcott – I get the sense that Yankee fans are generally underwhelmed by Slade Heathcott. When they drafted Heathcott, he was a super athlete project prospect with lots of risk but lots of upside. He held his own in 2010, but struck out a whole lot and didn’t show much power. He’s still risky and still a project, but at the same time he still has the kind of latent potential that Austin Jackson offered us not that long ago. Austin Jackson had a similarly solid if unspectacular season (arguably worse) in Charleston the year before he broke out. Heathcott in many ways resembles Jackson, but has much more potential. Everyone who has commented on Heathcott has said he has a great swing with some potential to hit for power, raising his ceiling far above Jackson’s.

The Long Shot: Mason Williams - One of the bigger strengths of the Yankee system is the number of guys who would fit into this longshot category. The list is as long as Graham Stoneburner, Brett Marshall, Jose Ramirez, Angelo Gumbs, and possibly Cito Culver. However, I decided to pick Mason Williams. The Yankees paid a lot of money for their 4th round pick, and they didn’t do it for a guy who lacks talent. Williams garners comparisons to Brett Gardner, which wouldn’t have been much of a compliment as much as a year ago, but I think means quite a bit today. He’s never going to hit for a ton of power (though he’ll hit for more than Gardner), but will bring tons of speed and reportedly good baseball sense to the table. Like Gardner, he could OPS .750 and be an enormously valuable player. However, he’s certainly not equal to your normal $1.4 million bonus prospect, so we need to see the performance before assessing his chances of contributing in the majors. If the Yankees decide that he’s prepared for a full-season league and he debuts, hits well, and earns praise, Mason Williams could be the next great Yankee prospect.

Jan 122011

…the more they stay the same, right? Sorry for the cliche to start off your late-morning reading, but I’m too excited about not being surrounded by screaming 6th, 7th, and 8th graders right not to feel all that apologetic. Anyway, MLB announced yesterday one good thing and one bad thing.

The good: MLB will NOT be expanding the playoffs in 2011. That means we’ll stick with the four-team in each league format, which I prefer. While more playoff teams means more money, I don’t think it’s all that good for the game and it, frankly, rewards mediocrity. I do think the playoff system–and the schedule itself–may need some tweaking, though. I’m not sure it’s so realistic nowadays, but I’d like to see baseball scrap the East/Central/West divisions and go back to a one-league-fits-all style breakdown. This would mean a balancing of the schedule. It would also mean that the top four teams in each league, rather than three division winners and one wildcard, would make the playoffs. At this point, this system may be unrealistic. Baseball, while still popular nationally, is a more regional than national game. The divisions help feed that regional popularity. Of course, the reverse could be true: If we create the standings in a national “context,” the game’s national popularity could grow.

The bad: MLB will NOT expand replay in 2011. Boo to this. Big time. Replay needs to be modified and expanded. The game does not change just based on “boundary calls” and home runs. MLB needs to realize something: Now that we have the technology and ability to fix bad calls, we should be doing it. The system currently in place is completely illogical and rarely used. As I’ve said countless times before: Every play, save for balls and strikes, needs to be reviewable. Put an extra umpire or MLB official in some room, somewhere in the stadium, with access to a television and have that ump be in contact with the crew chief. As soon as the ump sees a play is wrong, he calls the crew chief and they reverse the call. This would take no time at all. Don’t give the managers challenges; don’t let the umpires on the field convene; let the extra-ump decide, since he has the TV with him. I have faith that, eventually, a system like this will be in place. I won’t hold my breath, but it could happen.

And, lastly, while I have your attention, I just want to officially throw my hat in the Justin Duchscherer ring.

I just thought it would be fun to take a look at some old Baseball America Top 10 prospect lists, to put the current crop in some perspective. I’ll let you folks draw your own conclusions, but I for one am glad Brian Cashman took over control of Baseball Ops in 2005. That 04 list is scary bad, with the exception of a certain Yankee 2B. It’s no surprise that nobody with a good player wanted to trade with them at that time, except for the occasional Bobby Abreu salary dump or a ‘headache for headache’ Kevin Brown/Jeff Weaver type of deal. It’s also interesting how Chien Ming Wang never shows up on a top 10 list. He was a fast riser, having reinvented himself as a sinkerballer after showing mixed results previously with an expanded repertoire. It’s also worth noting that by far and away the best player on these lists (Cano) was ranked 6th the year before he was promoted, with players like Eric Duncan and Rudy Guillen ranked ahead of him, neither of whom spent a single day in the major leagues.

With all of that being said, here are the BA top 10 lists from 2004 to the present. I’d love to go back further, but unfortunately this is all I could find. BA only goes back to 2006 on their site, and I found the prior two with Google. It goes without saying that we have a better idea of how a player turned out the farther back we go, and the more recent lists are yet undefined. But the 04-06 prospect lists give us some idea of how well the Yanks have drafted,  and whether or not the players panned out. To give an idea of what each player has done in professional baseball, I’ll add career WAR next to each player’s name wherever it applies.  Do you know which player (not named Cano) has the highest career WAR on this list? No, it’s not one of those highly touted pitchers. It’s someone many fans included in every proposed deal the past few winters, who goes by the initials GGBG.

2004

1. Dionar Navarro, C (4.7)
2. Eric Duncan, 3b/1b (n/a)
3. Rudy Guillen, of
(n/a)
4. Joaquin Arias, ss (-0.4)
5. Ramon Ramirez, rhp (0.2)
6. Robinson Cano, 2b (18.7)
7. Ferdin Tejeda, ss (n/a)
8. Jorge DePaula, rhp (0.1)
9. Estee Harris, of (n/a)
10. Bronson Sardinha, 3b (0.0)

2005

1. Philip Hughes, rhp (6.4)
2. Eric Duncan, 3b/1b (n/a)
3. Jose Tabata, of (2.0)
4. C.J. Henry (n/a)
5. Austin Jackson, of (3.8)
6. Eduardo Nunez, ss (-0.1)
7. Marcos Vechionacci, 3b (n/a)
8. Christian Garcia, rhp (n/a)
9. Jeff Marquez, rhp (-0.1)
10. Tyler Clippard, rhp (1.1)

2006

1. Philip Hughes, rhp (6.4)
2. Jose Tabata, of (2.0)
3. Dellin Betances, rhp (n/a)
4. Joba Chamberlain, rhp (7.4)
5. Ian Kennedy, rhp (2.8)
6. Chris Garcia, rhp (n/a)
7. Tyler Clippard, rhp (1.1)
8. J. Brent Cox, rhp (n/a)
9. Mark Melancon, rhp (0.3)
10. Brett Gardner, of (8.6)

2007

1. Joba Chamberlain, rhp (7.4)
2. Austin Jackson, of (3.8)
3. Jose Tabata, of (2.0)
4. Ian Kennedy, rhp (2.8)
5. Alan Horne, rhp (n/a)
6. Jesus Montero, c (n/a)
7. Jeff Marquez, rhp (-0.1)
8. Brett Gardner, of (8.6)
9. Ross Ohlendorf, rhp (1.9)
10. Andrew Brackman, rhp (n/a)

2008

1. Austin Jackson, of (3.8)
2. Jesus Montero, c (n/a)
3. Andrew Brackman, rhp (n/a)
4. Austin Romine, c (n/a)
5. Dellin Betances, rhp (n/a)
6. Zach McAllister, rhp (n/a)
7. Alfredo Aceves, rhp (1.5)
8. Phil Coke, lhp (1.8)
9. Mark Melancon, rhp (0.3)
10. Bradley Suttle, 3b (n/a)

2009

1. Jesus Montero, c (n/a)
2. Austin Romine, c (n/a)
3. Arodys Vizcaino, rhp (n/a)
4. Slade Heathcott, of (n/a)
5. Zach McAllister, rhp (n/a)
6. Manny Banuelos, lhp (n/a)
7. Gary Sanchez, c (n/a)
8. J.R. Murphy, c (n/a)
9. Jeremy Bleich, lhp (n/a)
10. Andrew Brackman, rhp (n/a)

2010

1. Jesus Montero, c (n/a)
2. Gary Sanchez, c (n/a)
3. Dellin Betances, rhp (n/a)
4. Manny Banuelos, lhp (n/a)
5. Andrew Brackman, rhp (n/a)
6. Austin Romine, c (n/a)
7. Hector Noesi, rhp (n/a)
8. Eduardo Nunez, ss/3b (-0.1)
9. Slade Heathcott, of (n/a)
10. Brandon Laird, 3b (n/a)

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