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Jul 292010

Earlier today, Jason from It Is About the Money, Stupid posted an article about whether Albert Pujols would be baseball’s savior, “the one who restores our interest in home run milestones”.  He quotes liberally from Roy Johnson of ESPN NY.  Johnson assumes the familiar “let me tell you how it is” tone and states categorically that fans don’t care about Alex Rodriguez’s home run.  But Johnson takes it a step further, writing:

In one sense, we fans are a scorned love. Our hearts were broken and we’re just not going to let ourselves go there again, at least not anytime soon.

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Well, we just don’t dig it anymore. At least not that way. And there’s enough blame to go around for everybody, including A-Rod.

It’s hard to say if Jason wholeheartedly agrees with this sentiment, and I don’t want to put words in his mouth.  He does go on to say though that Rodriguez’s ascent up the home run leader board is tainted, and that Albert Pujols has the ability to restore our faith in baseball.  I’ve since taken this up with him on Twitter, and he argued that what baseball seems to want, or need, is “the hero” and that we can’t wish the problem away.

As I told Jason, I have several problems with this entire discussion.  For one, it’s presumptive of Roy Johnson to try to “speak for the fans”.  I tackled this before when we saw Feinsand and others do the same thing.  Capturing the zeitgeist of baseball culture is more than taking your opinion and projecting it on to the masses.  Further, is there honestly a lack of buzz surrounding the chase for 600?  To me, Yankee fans seem pretty excited.  I can’t watch ESPN for more than 10 minutes without hearing about it.   And I saw plenty of people packed into Progressive Field last night in the hopes of witnessing or even catching the home run.  But since I haven’t taken any polls or done real research, it wouldn’t be fair for me to presume to speak for whether “fans” are excited.  The same goes for Roy Johnson.

Secondly, talking about Pujols as baseball’s savior only legitimates the idea that non-users are on a different moral and/or historical level than users.  This notion makes me uncomfortable.  We don’t know how many players used steroids.  We only know that Rodriguez did because someone illegally leaked his name off a list of positive steroid tests, a list that was supposed to be anonymous.  We don’t know the other players that are on the list, and we may never.  If the biggest and brightest stars of our era are on that list and we never know, then we’ve believed a lie about which performances were more real and more significant.

Most of all, this is a tired conversation.  Five years ago, Alex Rodriguez was going to be the savior of baseball, the one that would bring baseball out of moral turpitude and restore the innocence of its halcyon days.  Then Alex admitted that he too was juicing.  Whoops.  Now we have to look to Pujols?  A year ago Joe Posnanski was selling us the same story, telling us that Pujols “won’t let us down”.  If we find out that Pujols was juicing all this time, do we go actually allow ourselves to feel “let down”?  Do we act like jilted lovers and talk about how we’re not going to get our hopes up again, before giving our hearts over to Jason Heyward and Stephen Strasburg, as long as they don’t use steroids?  And if they do too, do we look to the next rising star and hold them up as the Way Forward?

If there is a credibility gap in baseball, if fans are afraid to love again, if, in other words, baseball has an image problem, then it’s self-inflicted.  We’re selling the wrong stuff and we’re unable to move on.  We’re responsible for the image problem if all we talk about is Rodriguez’s positive test in 2003 and how no one cares about 600, about how Barry Bonds was a giant-headed villain, and how the summer of 1998 with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire was just one big lie.  We can’t ignore the past, to be sure.  It’s a part of baseball history now.  But if we continually tie the redemption of baseball to our new favorite star not using steroids then we’re setting ourselves up to be the dog that constantly chases its own tail.  Sooner or later, everyone disappoints.  It’s what you learn when you become an adult, and it holds true for baseball.  So let’s change the conversation.  Let’s not sell Albert Pujols on the condition that we never find out he took some exotic steroid on his winter vacation.  Let’s just sell Albert Pujols.  Let’s sell the sweet swing of Joe Mauer and Justin Upton.  Let’s sell the story of Jason Heyward.  Let’s sell the Tampa Bay Rays.  Let’s sell Manny Ramirez and Mannywood, and Alex Rodriguez and the villainous New York Yankees.  Let’s let the game be enough and stop pretending that baseball needs a savior.  Baseball is alive and well, and it’s right in front of our eyes.

Well, except in Kansas City.

Jul 292010

just hoping nothing happens

Later today, Dustin Moseley will make his first start in a Yankee uniform. He’s pitched in four games for the Yankees to the tune of a 4.22 ERA. He’s showed okay control with a 3.4 BB/9 but his K/9 is under 5 and his H/9 is also very low, coming in below 6, which is obviously something he can’t keep up. His FIP in this small sample is also 5.73 with an xFIP of 4.70. Of course, these numbers have come in 10.2 innings so they mean next to nothing.

All I’m asking for tonight, Dustin, is that you last at least five innings and give up no more than five runs. You’re facing the Indians, so maybe I could expect more than that. But, with the way Sergio Mitre pitched against the Royals in his spot start, I’m not holding my breath on anything great. All I can really hope for is that Moseley doesn’t embarrass himself, get hurt, or put the Yankees in an awful position in terms of the bullpen.

This Pettitte injury really makes me miss Alfredo Aceves. Maybe I was selling him short in thinking he could probably never be more than a spot-starter at best, but he’d be a better option over Mitre, Moseley, and Chad Gaudin. Hopefully he doesn’t experience yet another set back in his recovery from a back injury and can come back healthy for the playoff push.

The other thing the Pettitte injury makes me think about is what I said at the beginning of the year in relation to the fifth starter “competition” from Spring Training. If the Yankees had sent Joba Chamberlain to the minors instead of to the Major League bullpen when they announced Phil Hughes would be the fifth starter, he would be making the starts. And despite how poorly he’s pitched, we can’t say that it would be exactly the same had he started the year in AAA and he’d likely be another upgrade over the aforementioned pitchers. Of course, not everything can go the way we want it to.

The Yankees, with regards to Moseley and Mitre (and possibly Ivan Nova later), are doing what every team does when dealing with injury: they’re mixing, they’re matching, and they’re trying as best they can to plug leaks.

Jul 292010

So I finally bit the bullet last night and signed up for a Twitter account. As is my nature, this made me start thinking about things. The following is nothing that hasn’t been said before, but I want to rehash it because of the time of year.

Twitter, blogs, and the like have completely changed the way we can follow baseball and I absolutely love every second of it. My father and his friends may get nostalgic for the days of yore when the newspapers had a monopoly over the coverage of baseball, but I can’t think of any other way I’d rather have it.

Today’s world of constant coverage may get annoying with the actual news cycle in which sound bytes replace actual analysis, but in the baseball world, it’s mostly good. The fact that we can know about trade rumors, how prospects are playing, and the like is just all sorts of awesome. There are, of course, some drawbacks.

Our culture has gotten to be one that is almost reliant on instant gratification and patience is a virtue that few posses anymore, and the sports world is no different. Reporters and fans alike want instant success and instant explanations. Because of this, people tend to ignore any lengthy analysis and go for the quick-grab answer of the narrative. However, we can easily overlook this and find the more rational, detached reactions to things that happen in the baseball world. It’s also something with which I’m willing to put up if I can get up to the millisecond updates about trades and free agent signings. The days in which we had to wait for the evening news or the new SportsCenter to find out if trades were made are now dead and I couldn’t be happier about that.

Blogs have also changed baseball coverage in a generally positive way. Any abundance of opinions is welcome and though all the blogs out there can lead to a lot of white noise, but the best ones are the ones that end up popular. The “blogosphere” is the Internet’s finest example of a true meritocracy.

The question, then, is where does it go from here? Is there any way for us to be more instant and more inundated with baseball information and updates? I really don’t think there is. But, of course, I’m sure something new and exciting will come out and I’ll drag my feet to join that party, just like I did with Twitter.

Since he arrived in the major leagues in August of 2007, Joba Chamberlain has always been a lightning rod, eliciting a wide range opinions among hard core Yankee fans and others who follow the game of baseball.  With that in mind, I wanted to take the pulse of some prominent members of the Yankee blogging community. I shot out some e-mails last night and asked the question “What’s your next move with Joba?” On the heels of his bullpen demotion, the Yanks have some big decisions to make with him. The July 31st trade deadline is looming, and they have until August 7th if they want to send him down to AAA without clearing waivers. So the options they currently face are to 1) trade him, 2) demote him to AAA or 3) stay the course.

I’d like to thank everyone who took the time to reply, and hope that I don’t get anyone upset if I didn’t use your submission. I was looking for a range of perspectives to make the post a good read for our audience, so any unused replies were simply ones where I had too many of that particular type. I also didn’t solicit any of my fellow writers here at TYU, since our readers should already be familiar with our take on the subject. That being said, here are some of the responses:

Joe Pawlikowski-Fangraphs and River Ave Blues

To my mind there are only two paths to take with Joba. The first is to do exactly what the Yankees are doing, which is to keep him in the bullpen, but in lower leverage situations. He is doing many things right this year, but can’t seem to put it all together. If he continues to work on his problems against major league hitters I think he’ll show signs of improvement. Keeping him out of high leverage situations, then, seems like a good tactic.

The only other solution, to my mind, is the Halladay route, which is to send him all the way down and bring him back up. That can get a bit dicey, though, especially since this comes with only a month left in the minor league season. He’d need more than a month’s worth of work plus Spring Training for anything maneuver like this to have an impact. Sending him to Scranton could be an option, but I’m not sure it accomplishes much. Earlier in the season maybe, but again it’s not like he has time to figure anything out down there.

The option of trading him doesn’t seem viable because his stock seems to be at its lowest right now. There is no reason to dump him for the sake of dumping him, and I’m not sure many teams would value him based on his potential rather than his current performance. Not that I exactly blame them. We’ve seen pitchers with big potential flame out before, and we’ll see it again. But if the Yankees think that he can turn it around they absolutely should not trade him for anything less than what they consider full value. It would be bad business to sell low right now.
Craig Calcaterra-NBC Sports Hardball Talk

Stay the course with Joba.  He’s striking out ten guys an inning. His ridiculously high BABIP is the problem, and that’s not going to hold up.  And really, even if you’re not sold on Joba and want to ship him out, don’t do it now while his perceived value is low.  This is much ado about nothing. He’ll be pitching late innings for the Yankees through October.

JMK-Mystique and Aura

For what it’s worth, I don’t actually think a bullpen role suits Joba best, and I mean that even in terms of temperment and a host of other factors. Working through challenges as a starter is a fact of life. Giving up a few runs is fine –you’ll make mistakes, you learn from those and you adjust in-game. Working as a reliever has such a small window that it’s difficult to carry momentum and learn as you go. For Joba, a guy who’s never had sterling control, the scenario in which he feels compelled to hit his ’07 velocity levels and the situational inability to adjust, means I don’t think the “8th inning role” suits him. Maybe in ’07 when his stuff was significantly better (something I attribute to his injury in Texas) and the league didn’t have time to adjust, but not now. He’s just not that same guy. He’s frustrated that his stuff doesn’t blow hitters by as it once did and his control (or maybe mechanics?) is a mess.

Ben Kabak-2nd Ave Sagas and River Ave Blues

Despite the media firestorm surrounding the eighth inning, the Yankees and Joba Chamberlain aren’t at a crossroads right now. What we’re seeing is a 24 year-old-pitcher with very high expectations doing what most 24-year-old pitchers do in the Major Leagues: struggle. He came up amidst unprecedented hype in 2007 and dazzled. Now that he’s run into growing pains, Yankee fans and commentators expect the world from Joba, but he can’t deliver. The stuff is there at times; the strike outs are there; but the command isn’t.

I don’t believe sending Joba down is the right message, and the Yankees seem to agree. They want him to work out his development at the Major League level. They’ve bounced him around so many times between the bullpen and the rotation that the least they can do is allow him the time to pitch against true competition. That said, I wouldn’t be shocked if they trade him either. As he’s on the brink of arbitration, he’s no longer an untouchable, and if the Yanks see they can better returns, they shouldn’t — and probably won’t — hesitate to package him in the right deal.

Mike Silva-New York Baseball Digest


I would love to trade Joba since I think he will never realize his potential. Reality is such that his value is at an all time low. At this point he couldn’t be the centerpiece of any type of quality package. The only option is to send him  down to Scranton – where he should have spent all of last season- and have him work on two things 1) ability to compose himself on the mound and most important 2) repeat his mechanics on a consistent basis. Once he does that the sky is the limit. The other night the MLB Network was showing Mariano Rivera work with Joba on his delivery before the game. If he can’t learn from the greatest closer of all time I am not sure Scott Aldred is going to make a difference. Regardless, it’s their only hope to save him.

Greg Fertel-Pending Pinstripes

I honestly don’t really know what the Yankees should do with Joba, but I do know what I want the team to do with him. I don’t know if it is because I’m stubborn, but even with this train of thought losing most of its steam, I still prefer Joba in the rotation. Now, I’d leave him in the bullpen for the rest of this season; I don’t see a transition right now going too well, but I still think that being a starter is the best long-term move for Joba.

He’s clearly had his issues this season, but his peripherals are still strong and are similar to his dominant 2008 season. I’m not nearly ready to give up on a pitcher with as much talent as Joba and I really do expect him to be a plus in the bullpen going forward. I just can’t believe that a pitcher who is striking out so many guys while limiting walks is going to continue sucking. So I’d keep Joba in the bullpen expecting him to improve as the Yanks go down the stretch, and then maybe put him in the rotation in 2011 if there’s a spot and it looks like he can handle it.
Rebecca Glass-You Can’t Predict Baseball and This Purist Bleeds Pinstripes

I’m not really sure the Yankees could do anything that would really help at this point.  The best solution might simply be a breath of fresh air, where he can work on his pitching without worrying about everyone watching him and killing him, like the media in New York.

You could come up with five billion different theories as to why Joba’s had the problems he’s having, and I think in the end that’s the biggest problem of them all.  Sometimes you need to step back and just let someone be.  And that is not going to happen in NY.

Mike Axisa-MLB Trade Rumors and River Ave Blues

I think what they’re doing, demoting to a lower leverage role, is best. His confidence has to be shot, and dumping him down in the minors right now won’t help that any. Give him a chance to work things out while still showing some confidence in him, and see what happens. If he doesn’t improve, then you can start to think about the minors. They should be the last step, not the first. I don’t think the Yanks will trade Joba, but I’m sure they’re willing to do it in the right deal. They’re not going to sell low out of frustration just to try to get rid of him. That’s ridiculous, smart organizations don’t do that.

Now that you’ve read a range of perspectives on the topic, what’s yours? What would you like to see the Yankees do with Joba Chamberlain?

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