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Brian Burkhart chimed in yesterday with a fantastic post about the difficulties that a team like the Yankees faces when trying to develop young pitching:

Now, let me first state that this is a great problem to have. But the reality is, because the Yankees are expected to compete for the World Series every single year, it is difficult for them to give young starters the experience they need. In a perfect world, at least for Joba and Hughes, both pitchers would be allowed to make however many starts they needed to reach their innings cap. The Yankees can’t just run both pitchers out there though; they tried that in 2008 with Ian Kennedy and Hughes, to disastrous results. So instead, in comes Javier Vazquez……

The big market teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets have been accused in the past of using other teams like a farm system, but sometimes when it comes to starters, this is simply the most effective method. Look at how hard it is to juggle the development of 2 young starters.

Brian is right on the money here, as developing pitchers in a winning environment is difficult in terms of both perception and execution. Fans and media expect clubs like the Yankees and Red Sox to do what is best for the club at the present moment, and frequently suggest moves that might improve the team in the short -term but are not in the long-term best interests of the club. Teams shut down pitchers due to workload concerns all the time, but it gains negative attention when the club doing it is in the midst of a pennant race. Even though that sort of perception should not have an impact on decision-making, it is difficult for a club to act as if they were in a vacuum when every member of the media and many of their paying customers disagree with a move.

In terms of execution, even if the club ignores external pressures to send a young starter down or put him in the bullpen, the vagaries of a long season and the typical struggles of a young starter often force the organization’s hand. The team needs to find a balance between short-term and long-term goals, and it is often difficult to gauge what kind of impact a move made for “the now” will have down the line. When the club is in the midst of a pennant race and a young pitcher is struggling in the rotation, the priorities of the team may be altered and decisions that would not be made in Kansas City are undertaken to satisfy the needs of the current roster, often at the expense of the pitcher’s development. These factors combine to make for a inhospitable environment for young pitchers.


From Bill Madden:

Indeed, the fact that Francona is boasting about a five-strong rotation of Josh Beckett, John Lackey, Jon Lester, Daisuke Matsuzaka and Clay Buchholz, with 43-year-old Tim Wakefield, a first-half All-Star last year before he sustained back problems that required surgery, in reserve, should come as unsettling news to Yankee legions watching Joe Girardi conduct endless tryouts for the fifth spot in his rotation.

This is pure silliness from Madden. If all of the Red Sox starters were healthy, they too would be having a competition to figure out the 4th and 5th spots, with Dice-K, Buchholz, and Wakefield vying for the two spots. As it is, the Red Sox are fairly thin in terms of bottom of the rotation starters, with Matsuzaka already hurt and Junichi Tazawa currently the 6th starter. Now, being thin at 7th starter is a problem that most teams would love to have, but the idea the Red Sox have an advantage because their rotation is currently settled is ridiculous.

By contrast, the Yankees have a handful of guys fighting for the 5th spot, but that is in no way indicative of a lack of talent. Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, and Alfredo Aceves would all be solid options in almost every rotation in baseball, and the losers of the rotation battle will give the Yankees enviable starting pitching depth should one of the top 5 get hurt. Both teams have solid depth and are among the best rotations in baseball, and the idea that competition for one spot makes the Yankees weaker is typical myopic thinking from Bill Madden.

Mar 142010

Ace from his days in the Mexican League

..to be the Yanks #5 starter. Brian Hoch of MLB.com discusses the Yanks hottest pitcher this spring, who has given up 1 run in 10 IP thus far. We’ve all assumed that the #5 will go to either Joba or Hughes, but the question must start to be asked, can he really pull this off? Yankee manager Joe Girardi weighed in on Ace yesterday-

“It’s impressive, because of the different things he’s been able to do with the baseball,” Yankees manager Joe Girardi said. “He changes speeds, [has] late movement, pitches up and down. He changes eye level, in and out. He can do all of those things.

“What I’m most happy about is he’s ahead in the count most of the time. He’s putting hitters in a lot of 1-2 counts, 0-1 counts. That’s what you love to see. Guys love to play behind those types of guys, too.”

Aceves spent almost all of last season in a relief role, leading the Majors with 10 wins out of the bullpen while also turning in one save and a 3.54 ERA in 43 appearances.

While technically still a rookie last season, Aceves made four starts for the Yankees in 2008 and one more in ’09, lending to the thought that he could do it if needed. Ideally, the Yankees would like to take a long reliever as well, and Aceves could also be useful there.

“He has four pitches, and he has the ability to get you out a bunch of different ways — whether it’s cutters, sinkers, curveball, changeup,” Girardi said. “In, out, he knows how to pitch, and he knows how to read swings.

“As I’ve said, we’re going to take what we feel are the 12 best arms when the season starts.”

With last year’s addition of Chad Gaudin, the Yanks now have two long men. On this team that’s really a waste, it would just mean one of them never pitches. Especially on a team where you 1-4 starters all figure to give you 200+ IP. If he was only going to be a long man, you might as well send him down to AAA to begin the season, since he’s one of the few #5 candidate with options left (Hughes can also be sent down up to late April) and you’d risk losing Gaudin or Mitre. It could also buy you some more time to swing a deal involving one of those two guys, and be in better bargaining position. Teams will up their offer should one of their starters go down early in the year.

Regular readers of this blog may remember Alfredo was my choice for #5 before these Spring Training performances. While I don’t put much stock in these exhibition games, I have felt all along Ace is the most polished and mature of the candidates for the #5 role. He has the repertoire of a solid starting pitcher, does all the little things you want a starter to do, and his makeup is such that I wouldn’t worry about giving him the ball in any situation you can envision a starter encountering. With all of the talk about the other candidates and the Yankees future, we should remember that Ace is only 27 years old. He could be an important part of that future as well.

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