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Feb 092010

Assume you’re Brian Cashman for a minute. You’ve filled your 40 man roster by this point with plenty of able candidates to assume various roles. You know that you’ll carry your 5-man starting rotation, starting positional 9, a backup Catcher, backup infielder and a 4th Outfielder. Most of your bullpen is set with Mo, either Joba/Hughes, Marte, D-Rob, Aceves and a long man in Gaudin. On a team like the Yanks, most of the roster spots are set before Spring Training even begins. So now you’re now getting down to those last few spots on the roster. You have a choice between another arm in the bullpen (mop-up man or 2nd Lefty) or a platoon hitter who will be your last man on the bench. Which way do you go?

Dave Cameron from Fangraphs recently took on this age-old debate in his usual thorough, comprehensive way. He writes:

Because of the ever increasing size of bullpens, these types of hitting specialists have fallen out of favor. The meager salaries that these guys have had to accept highlights the lack of value that teams are now placing on platoons. With only 13 of 25 roster spots dedicated to position players on most teams, it is becoming far more difficult for teams to accommodate left-right platoons and still have the necessary reserves for their starters in case of injury.

Is that a wise use of roster allocation? I’m honestly not sure. I know there’s been a backlash against the ever increasing bullpen sizes among the sabermetric community, but I haven’t seen much in the way of evidence that specializing your bench is more efficient than specializing your bullpen.

Yes, the 12th pitcher on any given team is usually not very good, often producing at a near replacement level. Even if they pitch decently, the leverage of the innings they are given is usually so low that their overall value is quite low. So a straight comparison between value of platoon guy versus value of the 12th reliever will naturally lead one to conclude that teams would be better off with a larger bench and smaller bullpen.

First, I doubt there is any one answer that will be a rule of thumb for these situations. My answer has always been “It depends on the two players” being considered and the construction of the rest of the roster. If you have a useful bat (even one with stark platoon splits if it complements an area of need elsewhere) with a serviceable glove, it could very well make sense. However, if you have an injury prone or youthful rotation that you don’t figure to get many innings out of, I’ll take the extra pitcher. Put another way, the 2008 Yankees needed the extra arm. The 2010 Yanks could use the extra bat.

A 2nd lefty in the bullpen sounds enticing in the abstract, but would barely get any work on this team and would most likely be Boone Logan, who doesn’t excite me. Further, Dave Robertson has always had a reverse platoon split throughout his professional career at every level. The Yanks figure to get loads of length out of their top 4 in the rotation. CC, Vasquez and Pettitte have been workhorses throughout their MLB careers and AJ Burnett has been durable of late, pitching 200+ innings each of the past 2 seasons. Even Joba will finally have his rules lifted this season, so if he wins the 5th spot in Spring Training and everyone stays reasonably healthy, you could see an inordinate amount of innings get chewed up by the Yankee starting 5. In this scenario, D-Rob and Aceves could be scrounging for work, much less a Mark Melancon type. Chad Gaudin would have to wait for injury or a blowout to get in a game. An 11th or 12th pitcher figures to get very few opportunities  to get in games and if those last two pitchers get any work at all, it figures to be of the very low-leverage variety as Dave Cameron stated above.

However, that last bat on the bench could be a real specialist. If they have someone coming off the bench who kills Lefties, then he could be brought in for late-inning, game changing situations. A potent bat off the bench can force an opposing manager to dig a bit deeper into his bullpen, and we all know how thin and top-heavy most MLB bullpens are. Unlike the 12th pitcher previously discussed, this would be VERY high-leverage work. The type you’d like to give a veteran slugger who’s no longer and everyday player. The late 90’s championship teams had players like Darryl Strawberry and Chili Davis filling this role, to great success.  I’ve previously advocated for Gary Sheffield to fill this role, and I’d still love to see it happen. He’s still enough of a power threat to make managers go Righty-Righty with him, and the fact of the matter is he’s always handled Righthanders well throughout his career. Even last year at age 40 he didn’t display much of a platoon split. With the Yanks having two players in Gardner and Granderson who figure to have trouble with Lefties, you can see plenty of late opportunities for Gary to come in and hopefully break a game open.

In summary, to me it’s all about filling the high-leverage need vs the low leverage. I don’t care who pitches in blowouts, were almost certain to lose those games anyway. Now that I’ve weighed in on this, it’s your turn. In building this roster, would you rather have an extra arm in the bullpen (as most teams do these days) or a pinch hitter you can use late in games?

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6 Responses to “Extra man on the bench or arm in the pen?”

  1. Moshe Mandel says:

    I think Thames is that guy. Kills lefties, doesn’t do much else.  

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  2. Jesse says:

    I don’t know if this post was written before or after the Thames signing. In any case, Thames doesn’t kill lefties. He’s not as intimidating as a Sheffield type hitter (his power numbers are surprisingly low). Put Thames aside for a moment. I have to agree overall with the idea of the 2010 Yankees getting more use out of the bench player than the extra arm. However, I think this post missed a couple important points about bullpens in general. Even if the first 4 starters average 6 innings, in a 162 game season, that is not going to happen regularly. Imagine 2 consecutive games where the starters don’t last 5 innings. All of a sudden, Aceves has pitched 3 innings in one game, and Robertson has pitched 2 innings in another game. Marte and Robertson were used in both games. Hughes in one game. Is the bullpen ready for another 5 inning outing from the starter? Maybe so, but the point is that you are risking injury if you put one of the main bullpen guys in on short rest. The mop-up pitcher is not meant to come into the game and keep the other team scoreless. He’s meant to keep the other relievers healthy. In a 162 game season, this is incredibly value not for what his brings to the team but for how he protects the team. Having said this, I agree that the 2010 Yankees are probably in a better position than almost all teams when it comes to bullpen necessities. I therefore think the right-handed bat with very good splits against lefties should be the choice. Unfortunately, Thames is not that guy.  

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    classicsteve Reply:

    Extra bat. For the amount of money being allocated for this “25th man on the roster” position, Thames is probably the best fit for the job. Basically, if he were to make the team, he would be asked provide some late inning power off the bench for either Gardner or Granderson, give Johnson an occasional rest day at DH play and some outfield against a really tough lefty or in a short term injury situation. He has averaged 1 HR/ 15.5 ABs for his career which would be the second the best ratio on the team and a 516 slugging against LHP. While Sheffield probably remains a better hitter today even at his advanced age, he may not have the temperament for such a limited role.(likely fewer than 150 ABs/2010).
    As for the situation described above involving consecuive early inning knockouts of starting pitchers,Mitre and/or Jason Hirsch will only be a 2 hour car ride away to guard against the over-utilization of the main relievers. These types of roster moves happen frequently during the course of any baseball season.
    A Thames late inning long ball may be good for an extra win or two or three over the course of the year.I don’ t think the same can be said about the extra arm.  

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    Moshe Mandel Reply:

    Thames has excellent power numbers against lefties. He slugs over .500 against them. You are not going to find someone with better power numbers to be a 5th outfielder/pinch hitter.  

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    bornwithpinstripes Reply:

    so lets trade winn.. and keep a bullpen guy..  

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    Moshe Mandel Reply:

    Huh? Why on earth would they trade Winn? He’s a good fit as a 4th OF’er.  

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