Comments on: What's Cookin on the Hot Stove-Relief Options http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348 The Blog Formerly Known As The Yankee Universe Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:25:33 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15227 The other Chris H Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:25:52 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15227 Not to mention Soriano sorts the rest of the bullpen into roles each man is perfect for... Coke and Marte become left handed specialists, Robertson is a 7th inning guy and right handed matchup guy, Aceves stays a long man, Bruney is the last man in the pen with good stuff and Gaudin is spot starts. Not to mention Soriano sorts the rest of the bullpen into roles each man is perfect for… Coke and Marte become left handed specialists, Robertson is a 7th inning guy and right handed matchup guy, Aceves stays a long man, Bruney is the last man in the pen with good stuff and Gaudin is spot starts.

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15226 The other Chris H Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:24:10 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15226 I think you are totally skipping over the fact that Brakcman probably will never make it to the majors... CJ Henry isn't in baseball anymore, Eric Duncan sucks and Ian Kennedy hasn't proven jack. You think Joba could have closed for somebody this year? He was basically a worse version of Lidge, I would much rather have had Lidge closing than Joba at least he has proven he can do it! Not only has Joba never been a closer he was throwing 93-96 MPH in the pen during the playoffs with a terrible slider and no control. I think you are totally skipping over the fact that Brakcman probably will never make it to the majors… CJ Henry isn’t in baseball anymore, Eric Duncan sucks and Ian Kennedy hasn’t proven jack.

You think Joba could have closed for somebody this year? He was basically a worse version of Lidge, I would much rather have had Lidge closing than Joba at least he has proven he can do it! Not only has Joba never been a closer he was throwing 93-96 MPH in the pen during the playoffs with a terrible slider and no control.

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15225 The other Chris H Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:21:17 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15225 Yeah strikeouts aren't everything but you also don't have to be dumb and act like since one player out of all the players in the world didn't pan out the other automatically won't... That Randy Johnson sure is like Kyle Farnsworth huh? That Mariano Rivera sure is Kyle Farnsworth huh? Papelbon is a Farsnworth clone too and so is Joba, David Price, Strausberg and any other pitcher in the history of the game to throw hard. It's just as silly as comparing Soriano to Farnsworth because they both K people. Yeah strikeouts aren’t everything but you also don’t have to be dumb and act like since one player out of all the players in the world didn’t pan out the other automatically won’t…

That Randy Johnson sure is like Kyle Farnsworth huh? That Mariano Rivera sure is Kyle Farnsworth huh? Papelbon is a Farsnworth clone too and so is Joba, David Price, Strausberg and any other pitcher in the history of the game to throw hard.

It’s just as silly as comparing Soriano to Farnsworth because they both K people.

]]> By: Classic Steve http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15224 Classic Steve Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:27:29 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15224 "If that is true, how is it not a waste of talent to give up on a Phil or Joba (a 1st round pick) to sign a 30 year old reliever? There is a huge error in your logic" Not really because as has been pointed out you are not likely to get someone of the calibre of Hughes, Chamberlain or Soriano with the 30th pick. Consider the first draft choices of the Yankees since the beginning of Cashman's tenure( not including 2009): 2008- Cole 2007 -Brackman 2006- Kennedy 2005- Henry 2004-Hughes 2003- Duncan 2002-Weeden 2001- Griffin 2000-Parrish 1999-Walling 1998- Brown Not very impressive. Soriano has a proven track record of success in the American League ( 2003 and2007) and based on the track record is more likely to contribute to future success than some unidentified player currently playing in high school or college.To keep the pipeline of young talent flowing, I would suggest greater investment in players not subject to the amateur draft (Latin America and the Far East). “If that is true, how is it not a waste of talent to give up on a Phil or Joba (a 1st round pick) to sign a 30 year old reliever? There is a huge error in your logic”

Not really because as has been pointed out you are not likely to get someone of the calibre of Hughes, Chamberlain or Soriano with the 30th pick. Consider the first draft choices of the Yankees since the beginning of Cashman’s tenure( not including 2009):

2008- Cole
2007 -Brackman
2006- Kennedy
2005- Henry
2004-Hughes
2003- Duncan
2002-Weeden
2001- Griffin
2000-Parrish
1999-Walling
1998- Brown

Not very impressive.

Soriano has a proven track record of success in the American League ( 2003 and2007) and based on the track record is more likely to contribute to future success than some unidentified player currently playing in high school or college.To keep the pipeline of young talent flowing, I would suggest greater investment in players not subject to the amateur draft (Latin America and the Far East).

]]> By: Matt O http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15223 Matt O Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:31:49 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15223 Buyers vs. sellers: You always want to be in the position where you don't have to do anything or you have as many options as possible. If the yanks continue to give away draft picks, they'll be forced to sign FAs to fill gaps because they’ll have no trade bait or young talent who can step in and perform at the MLB level. When you have no trade bait, and there is only 1 Free Agent out there who can give you 200 innings, you’re going to pay way too much for him (either due to Boras or the Sox bidding). Also, it's difficult to get younger when you continue to sign guys over 30 and lose the rights to 20 year old prospects. If the Yanks have young talent, one of two things MAY happen. 1) The young player turns into a stud and is the Next king Felix 2) Yanks trade the young player to fill a need (Tabata for Nady + Marte). I see a lot of guys argue that it is a waste of talent to have Phil or Joba moved to the pen permanently. If that is true, how is it not a waste of talent to give up on a Phil or Joba (a 1st round pick) to sign a 30 year old reliever? There is a huge error in your logic Buyers vs. sellers: You always want to be in the position where you don’t have to do anything or you have as many options as possible. If the yanks continue to give away draft picks, they’ll be forced to sign FAs to fill gaps because they’ll have no trade bait or young talent who can step in and perform at the MLB level. When you have no trade bait, and there is only 1 Free Agent out there who can give you 200 innings, you’re going to pay way too much for him (either due to Boras or the Sox bidding). Also, it’s difficult to get younger when you continue to sign guys over 30 and lose the rights to 20 year old prospects.
If the Yanks have young talent, one of two things MAY happen. 1) The young player turns into a stud and is the Next king Felix 2) Yanks trade the young player to fill a need (Tabata for Nady + Marte).
I see a lot of guys argue that it is a waste of talent to have Phil or Joba moved to the pen permanently. If that is true, how is it not a waste of talent to give up on a Phil or Joba (a 1st round pick) to sign a 30 year old reliever? There is a huge error in your logic

]]> By: Trev http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15222 Trev Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:56:41 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15222 Steve S: Not saying anytime any close becomes available, only ones that aren't dominant and will cost draft picks. Relief pitcher is the easiest slot to fill and also the most unpredictable. The Yanks last year made a living of it by converting minor league SP prospects who won't cut it as SPs into very effective RPs. I'm just saying with the way our bullpen dominated why on earth would you go after Soriano when you can throw in a David Robertson or a bevy of other young guys who would all be much cheaper options. If you feel the need to get a settup man you can go out and trade for one later. It really doesn't come down to the draft pick anyway since Yanks are likely to sign more than one type A free agent and will end up giving away multiple rounds of draft pick regardless. Chris H: I'm sorry if people bring up moves that didn't work out in the past to disagree with you. That's how you learn though, by making note of previous mistakes. I didn't say Soriano is Kyle Farnsworth, I just used the comparison to point out that strikeouts aren't everything. Something that's a valid point. Steve S: Not saying anytime any close becomes available, only ones that aren’t dominant and will cost draft picks. Relief pitcher is the easiest slot to fill and also the most unpredictable. The Yanks last year made a living of it by converting minor league SP prospects who won’t cut it as SPs into very effective RPs. I’m just saying with the way our bullpen dominated why on earth would you go after Soriano when you can throw in a David Robertson or a bevy of other young guys who would all be much cheaper options. If you feel the need to get a settup man you can go out and trade for one later. It really doesn’t come down to the draft pick anyway since Yanks are likely to sign more than one type A free agent and will end up giving away multiple rounds of draft pick regardless.

Chris H: I’m sorry if people bring up moves that didn’t work out in the past to disagree with you. That’s how you learn though, by making note of previous mistakes. I didn’t say Soriano is Kyle Farnsworth, I just used the comparison to point out that strikeouts aren’t everything. Something that’s a valid point.

]]> By: Matt O http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15221 Matt O Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:53:31 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15221 We can't do the scouts jobs too. You're right, Joba was #41 overall for Gordon (before the 2nd round). Who got the better end of that deal? We're about to make the exact same mistake the Phils made. If they don't trade for Gordon, Joba is closing for them instead of Lidge this year and that could have made for a different outcome. Worst case, Joba is traded for Halladay. Looking back...Gordon for 2 years vs Joba for 3 and Halladay finishing his career as a Yankee. Also, I'd imagine w/ a good spring, Kennedy will have more trade value than Soriano. Look back at the droughts of first round picks. They all lead to WS droughts. We can’t do the scouts jobs too. You’re right, Joba was #41 overall for Gordon (before the 2nd round). Who got the better end of that deal? We’re about to make the exact same mistake the Phils made. If they don’t trade for Gordon, Joba is closing for them instead of Lidge this year and that could have made for a different outcome. Worst case, Joba is traded for Halladay. Looking back…Gordon for 2 years vs Joba for 3 and Halladay finishing his career as a Yankee. Also, I’d imagine w/ a good spring, Kennedy will have more trade value than Soriano. Look back at the droughts of first round picks. They all lead to WS droughts.

]]> By: Steve http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15220 Steve Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:07:11 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15220 Andrew Brackman was 1st Round pick in 07 Ian Kennedy was our 1st round pick in 06 CJ Henry #1 pick in 05 Phil Hughes #1 pick in 04 Eric Duncan #1 pick in 03 Joba was a Supplemental pick (for Tom Gordon) in 06 Andrew Brackman was 1st Round pick in 07
Ian Kennedy was our 1st round pick in 06
CJ Henry #1 pick in 05
Phil Hughes #1 pick in 04
Eric Duncan #1 pick in 03

Joba was a Supplemental pick (for Tom Gordon) in 06

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15219 The other Chris H Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:54:18 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15219 You seemed to forget he also went through large periods of throwing 90-92 MPH with a sketchy slider than hung to lefty batters a lot. You seemed to forget he also went through large periods of throwing 90-92 MPH with a sketchy slider than hung to lefty batters a lot.

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/whats-cookin-on-the-hot-stove-relief-options-9348/comment-page-1#comment-15218 The other Chris H Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:53:38 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=9348#comment-15218 Yeah, how many times have our picks turned into Joba and Hughes? Twice? Yeah, how many times have our picks turned into Joba and Hughes? Twice?

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