Comments on: The price for Halladay begins to take shape http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901 The Blog Formerly Known As The Yankee Universe Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:54:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: leftylarry http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15267 leftylarry Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:08:01 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15267 They will NOT get what they want for Halladay anymore than Twins got what they wanted for Santana. You don't need to give up a huge upside player like Montero to get him.Yes, Joba or Hughes with an Austin Jackson and a Kyle Higishioka type prospect.Maybe a Jeremy Bleich or an Ian Kennedy with Joba and Jackson but you do NOT need to give up Montero, Romine or any other super top potential prospects for the right to overpay a 34 year old pitcher who started to show signs this year and who will want huge dollars in an era where teams can't pay those dollars anymore.Heck you might be able to give them Zach MacAllister, Bleich, Nova or whomever and keep Joba also. Red Sox might be full of it here, just building up the price for Yankees.They have a lot of money in the pitching staff already. They will NOT get what they want for Halladay anymore than Twins got what they wanted for Santana.
You don’t need to give up a huge upside player like Montero to get him.Yes, Joba or Hughes with an Austin Jackson and a Kyle Higishioka type prospect.Maybe a Jeremy Bleich or an Ian Kennedy with Joba and Jackson but you do NOT need to give up Montero, Romine or any other super top potential prospects for the right to overpay a 34 year old pitcher who started to show signs this year and who will want huge dollars in an era where teams can’t pay those dollars anymore.Heck you might be able to give them Zach MacAllister, Bleich, Nova or whomever and keep Joba also.
Red Sox might be full of it here, just building up the price for Yankees.They have a lot of money in the pitching staff already.

]]> By: jeremy http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15266 jeremy Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:57:06 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15266 you know, montero is the only player i would have the biggest issue giving up in a deal because lets face it, posada is clearly not the catcher he once was. now im not saying montero is the next pudge rodriguez defensively but even if he played average to even slightly below average behind the dish, his bat will make up for it, in the same way jorge's does at times. sure, romine could be very good, but montero's potential is way to great for me to give up. its not like he's a 25 year old prospect in low a either, he's probly going to be in AAA next year as a 21 YEAR OLD!!!! as soon as they feel his defensive abilities are good enough to be considered major league ready, he'll be in the bigs. i feel hughes has a better chance of being a successful starter than joba, where as joba would PROBABLY be better than hughes in the 'pen. so toronto probably is thinking "who would you rather have: joba or hughes? cause in my mind, they wont deal montero for doc. comments? you know, montero is the only player i would have the biggest issue giving up in a deal because lets face it, posada is clearly not the catcher he once was. now im not saying montero is the next pudge rodriguez defensively but even if he played average to even slightly below average behind the dish, his bat will make up for it, in the same way jorge’s does at times. sure, romine could be very good, but montero’s potential is way to great for me to give up. its not like he’s a 25 year old prospect in low a either, he’s probly going to be in AAA next year as a 21 YEAR OLD!!!! as soon as they feel his defensive abilities are good enough to be considered major league ready, he’ll be in the bigs. i feel hughes has a better chance of being a successful starter than joba, where as joba would PROBABLY be better than hughes in the ‘pen. so toronto probably is thinking “who would you rather have: joba or hughes? cause in my mind, they wont deal montero for doc. comments?

]]> By: wiljaq1 http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15265 wiljaq1 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:26:45 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15265 Josh Johnson has a bad athlete's body...I don't think it will age well. But Halladay is still in his prime, and because he is not just a thrower, but a top-notch pitcher, I think he'll be a great one for another 4-5 years. I say get him for anyone but Hughes,Joba, or Montero. Josh Johnson has a bad athlete’s body…I don’t think it will age well. But Halladay is still in his prime, and because he is not just a thrower, but a top-notch pitcher, I think he’ll be a great one for another 4-5 years. I say get him for anyone but Hughes,Joba, or Montero.

]]> By: daneptizl http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15264 daneptizl Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:55:05 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15264 If you don't know what you are talking about then don't say anything. Nova is exactly the opposite of what you just said... he throws harder than McCallister and has a good change along with a potentially plus curve. If you don’t know what you are talking about then don’t say anything. Nova is exactly the opposite of what you just said… he throws harder than McCallister and has a good change along with a potentially plus curve.

]]> By: Steve S. http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15263 Steve S. Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:47:29 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15263 I'd go a bit further than you, I'd do one of the high upside guys for Roy and would put less around him. But I agree completely with your general sentiment. I’d go a bit further than you, I’d do one of the high upside guys for Roy and would put less around him. But I agree completely with your general sentiment.

]]> By: jeremy http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15262 jeremy Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:07:21 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15262 also my plan in that deal was to give up MORE prospects so that they would not have to give up hughes or joba or montero. its unlikely toronto would budge w/o getting one of them but again, is there plan to win in 2 years or let good young prospects develop and wait 3-5 years? if it were the latter of those options, the yanks might have a good shot at making doc a yankee but we'll see. also my plan in that deal was to give up MORE prospects so that they would not have to give up hughes or joba or montero. its unlikely toronto would budge w/o getting one of them but again, is there plan to win in 2 years or let good young prospects develop and wait 3-5 years? if it were the latter of those options, the yanks might have a good shot at making doc a yankee but we’ll see.

]]> By: jeremy http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15261 jeremy Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:50:23 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15261 well basically it will come down to this simple point: what does toronto want/value more? bostons slightly better pitching (bard, bucholz, kelly etc.) or nyy's much better hitting/positional prospects (a-jax, romine, gardner etc.) nyy has LOTS of young pitchers too, especially in the pen, so if i had to guess, nyy has a better chance at getting doc than boston does. will that be the case? lets wait and see, however i just dont see doc in boston but i can picture him donning pinstripes! either way you just gotta have a feeling whoever gets halladay will have to deal with the other team getting lackey/felix/jj/ or verlander so pick you're poison. who would you rather have out of these options: 1halladay 2verlander 3josh johnson 4king felix 5lackey in the same sense, who would you want to NOT have to see on the other team? personally i dont think either felix or verlander will move but ive seen stranger things so i'd have to say that even though jj has more stuff/potential than halladay, doc has proved he can beat the all of the A.L. teams, so i'd say go get doc... at the right price though! well basically it will come down to this simple point: what does toronto want/value more? bostons slightly better pitching (bard, bucholz, kelly etc.) or nyy’s much better hitting/positional prospects (a-jax, romine, gardner etc.) nyy has LOTS of young pitchers too, especially in the pen, so if i had to guess, nyy has a better chance at getting doc than boston does. will that be the case? lets wait and see, however i just dont see doc in boston but i can picture him donning pinstripes! either way you just gotta have a feeling whoever gets halladay will have to deal with the other team getting lackey/felix/jj/ or verlander so pick you’re poison. who would you rather have out of these options:
1halladay
2verlander
3josh johnson
4king felix
5lackey
in the same sense, who would you want to NOT have to see on the other team? personally i dont think either felix or verlander will move but ive seen stranger things so i’d have to say that even though jj has more stuff/potential than halladay, doc has proved he can beat the all of the A.L. teams, so i’d say go get doc… at the right price though!

]]> By: Chip http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15260 Chip Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:18:02 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15260 That's probably the closest package I've seen thus far. I would think that's about the minimum that the Jays would go and at that point is it worth it? I mean Jackson COULD turn out to be an absolute stud and Romine could be a solid major league catcher. Plus, you're also going to have to pay him a ton. That's a tough one That’s probably the closest package I’ve seen thus far. I would think that’s about the minimum that the Jays would go and at that point is it worth it? I mean Jackson COULD turn out to be an absolute stud and Romine could be a solid major league catcher. Plus, you’re also going to have to pay him a ton. That’s a tough one

]]> By: Chip http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15259 Chip Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:12:27 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15259 I agree that he's not going to be worth what he'd surely cost us in draft picks but seriously man, Steve said he wasn't going to throw packages out there but just throwing out names that we have. The Blue Jays don't need one of Hughes/Joba as much as they need Montero or AJax in their outfield which is essentially what Steve was saying. We're all on the same side, man. You don't need to get so defensive. I agree that he’s not going to be worth what he’d surely cost us in draft picks but seriously man, Steve said he wasn’t going to throw packages out there but just throwing out names that we have. The Blue Jays don’t need one of Hughes/Joba as much as they need Montero or AJax in their outfield which is essentially what Steve was saying.

We’re all on the same side, man. You don’t need to get so defensive.

]]> By: jeremy http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/the-price-for-halladay-begins-to-take-shape-10901/comment-page-1#comment-15258 jeremy Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:08:19 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=10901#comment-15258 ok heres my idea for halladay: romine, a-jax, z-mac, brackman or bleich and one of the young up and coming relievers like d-rob/coke/melancon too but it all depends whether toronto wants to win in 2 years or 4-5 you know? if they want to win sooner than later, they'l want/need a package centered around one of hughes/montero/joba and if thats the case NO DEAL!!! if thats the case, try for a younger guy like verlander, king felix or josh johnson if you're planning on giving up a high end guy like hughes or montero or joba. comments? ok heres my idea for halladay: romine, a-jax, z-mac, brackman or bleich and one of the young up and coming relievers like d-rob/coke/melancon too but it all depends whether toronto wants to win in 2 years or 4-5 you know? if they want to win sooner than later, they’l want/need a package centered around one of hughes/montero/joba and if thats the case NO DEAL!!! if thats the case, try for a younger guy like verlander, king felix or josh johnson if you’re planning on giving up a high end guy like hughes or montero or joba. comments?

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