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	<title>Comments on: Discussion: Who Could You Get For Jesus Montero?</title>
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		<title>By: nycoach</title>
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		<dc:creator>nycoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Johnson


absolute STUD and 26

would be a Horse for next 10 years.</description>
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<p>absolute STUD and 26</p>
<p>would be a Horse for next 10 years.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/discussion-who-could-you-get-for-jesus-montero-9431/comment-page-1#comment-8350</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-30198&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-30198&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jack98&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: There is absolutely no way any team is going to give up a talented and proven position player for Montero, period.He is 18 years old, and while is a talented prospect with potentially big upside, he is still a prospect. People, I understand your passion but I don’t understand your logic!
And if you want to focus on trading to upgrade the team, focus on what positions the Yankees need to fill to repeat!Miguel Cabrera is a marginal starter and would have trouble getting into an everyday lineup on most playoff caliber teams. The NYY outfield is old and needs to be rebuilt.That’s where the discussions should be focused. What are the available young outfielders that possess speed, high BA, high OBP, decent slugging %, and good defensive skills (GLOVE and ARM). Like it or not Damon’s terrible throwing arm is a HUGE defensive liability. Miguel Cabrera, wouldn’t start for most quality playoff teams and Swisher is also marginal but good to have on the team. The Yankees need to fill these holes if they want to repeat.&#160;&#160;

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Montero just turned 20 yesterday.  He is likely to be rated one of the top-10 prospects in baseball by Baseball America.  I&#039;m not sure I see why you think teams wouldn&#039;t trade a &quot;talented and proven position player&quot; when that&#039;s exactly what happens in baseball every year.  The Yanks traded prospects to Minnesota for Chuck Knoblauch.  The Yanks traded prospects to Toronto for David Cone.  The Yanks traded prospects to Pittsburgh for Nady/Marte.  You get the picture...

The Yanks should obviously be interested in patching holes in their everyday lineup and I agree that the outfield is the team&#039;s biggest area of need outside of another starting pitcher. However, you don&#039;t trade someone of Montero&#039;s caliber for a patch on a hole.  You trade him for a star.  The guy you&#039;re describing sounds like Mike Cameron and Montero&#039;s worth a helluva lot more than a solid everyday outfielder that hits and fields.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-30198" rel="nofollow">Jack98</a></strong>: There is absolutely no way any team is going to give up a talented and proven position player for Montero, period.He is 18 years old, and while is a talented prospect with potentially big upside, he is still a prospect. People, I understand your passion but I don’t understand your logic!<br />
And if you want to focus on trading to upgrade the team, focus on what positions the Yankees need to fill to repeat!Miguel Cabrera is a marginal starter and would have trouble getting into an everyday lineup on most playoff caliber teams. The NYY outfield is old and needs to be rebuilt.That’s where the discussions should be focused. What are the available young outfielders that possess speed, high BA, high OBP, decent slugging %, and good defensive skills (GLOVE and ARM). Like it or not Damon’s terrible throwing arm is a HUGE defensive liability. Miguel Cabrera, wouldn’t start for most quality playoff teams and Swisher is also marginal but good to have on the team. The Yankees need to fill these holes if they want to repeat.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>Montero just turned 20 yesterday.  He is likely to be rated one of the top-10 prospects in baseball by Baseball America.  I&#8217;m not sure I see why you think teams wouldn&#8217;t trade a &#8220;talented and proven position player&#8221; when that&#8217;s exactly what happens in baseball every year.  The Yanks traded prospects to Minnesota for Chuck Knoblauch.  The Yanks traded prospects to Toronto for David Cone.  The Yanks traded prospects to Pittsburgh for Nady/Marte.  You get the picture&#8230;</p>
<p>The Yanks should obviously be interested in patching holes in their everyday lineup and I agree that the outfield is the team&#8217;s biggest area of need outside of another starting pitcher. However, you don&#8217;t trade someone of Montero&#8217;s caliber for a patch on a hole.  You trade him for a star.  The guy you&#8217;re describing sounds like Mike Cameron and Montero&#8217;s worth a helluva lot more than a solid everyday outfielder that hits and fields.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack98</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is absolutely no way any team is going to give up a talented and proven position player for Montero, period.  He is 18 years old, and while is a talented prospect with potentially big upside, he is still a prospect. People, I understand your passion but I don&#039;t understand your logic!

And if you want to focus on trading to upgrade the team, focus on what positions the Yankees need to fill to repeat!  Miguel Cabrera is a marginal starter and would have trouble getting into an everyday lineup on most playoff caliber teams. The NYY outfield is old and needs to be rebuilt.  That&#039;s where the discussions should be focused. What are the available young outfielders that possess speed, high BA, high OBP, decent slugging %, and good defensive skills (GLOVE and ARM). Like it or not Damon&#039;s terrible throwing arm is a HUGE defensive liability. Miguel Cabrera, wouldn&#039;t start for most quality playoff teams and Swisher is also marginal but good to have on the team. The Yankees need to fill these holes if they want to repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is absolutely no way any team is going to give up a talented and proven position player for Montero, period.  He is 18 years old, and while is a talented prospect with potentially big upside, he is still a prospect. People, I understand your passion but I don&#8217;t understand your logic!</p>
<p>And if you want to focus on trading to upgrade the team, focus on what positions the Yankees need to fill to repeat!  Miguel Cabrera is a marginal starter and would have trouble getting into an everyday lineup on most playoff caliber teams. The NYY outfield is old and needs to be rebuilt.  That&#8217;s where the discussions should be focused. What are the available young outfielders that possess speed, high BA, high OBP, decent slugging %, and good defensive skills (GLOVE and ARM). Like it or not Damon&#8217;s terrible throwing arm is a HUGE defensive liability. Miguel Cabrera, wouldn&#8217;t start for most quality playoff teams and Swisher is also marginal but good to have on the team. The Yankees need to fill these holes if they want to repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m saying worse case scenario you have a DH who is young and strong hitting 30 HRs and a year with the abiltity to hit above .300, we don&#039;t have a DH option right now that can hit 30 HRs or hit .300 separately let alone together. That kind of power in a kid so young is a rarity to me his value is tied up in the fact hat I don&#039;t look at him as a C I look at him as a bat and he is a very talented one with only up to go.


don&#039;t get me wrong he is more valuable behind the dish than at any other position but even at DH if he is only hitting 30 HRs he&#039;s something special and if he taps into his potential and can hit 40 HRs as a DH or at LF then he is a rare bat in line with Prince Fielder or Ryan Howard but from the right side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m saying worse case scenario you have a DH who is young and strong hitting 30 HRs and a year with the abiltity to hit above .300, we don&#8217;t have a DH option right now that can hit 30 HRs or hit .300 separately let alone together. That kind of power in a kid so young is a rarity to me his value is tied up in the fact hat I don&#8217;t look at him as a C I look at him as a bat and he is a very talented one with only up to go.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t get me wrong he is more valuable behind the dish than at any other position but even at DH if he is only hitting 30 HRs he&#8217;s something special and if he taps into his potential and can hit 40 HRs as a DH or at LF then he is a rare bat in line with Prince Fielder or Ryan Howard but from the right side.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear ya, but I think his value is being tied up at C specifically because you can find a slugger at 1B, DH or a corner OF spot but not behind the dish.  Right now we have no way of knowing if he&#039;s a competent 1B or OF and, at present, he&#039;s blocked at 1B by Teixeira anyway.  If he truly can&#039;t catch, he better start learning how to play another position but, unfortunately, the moment he starts doing that, his value begins to decrease...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya, but I think his value is being tied up at C specifically because you can find a slugger at 1B, DH or a corner OF spot but not behind the dish.  Right now we have no way of knowing if he&#8217;s a competent 1B or OF and, at present, he&#8217;s blocked at 1B by Teixeira anyway.  If he truly can&#8217;t catch, he better start learning how to play another position but, unfortunately, the moment he starts doing that, his value begins to decrease&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Johnson has some real injury concerns and I think the Marlins only offering 3 years kind of shows their trust in his arm... The Yankees refused to give Wang a long term deal for a reason and it happened...



Johnson would probably only be done with Joba and Hughes+ or Montero+ and I don&#039;t agree with doing either one, we don&#039;t need another ace right now we have a 29 year old CC what we need is a solid middle of the rotation guy and some miscellaneous pieces. To trade Montero now would be foolish and trading both Hughes and Joba right now is silly as well when you consider both are at lows on their trade value compared to what it could be... If 1 of them turns into a close comparison to Johnson and the other one is a 3 or 4 starter they have more value than Johnson does by themselves not counting the other prospects you have to give up.



I can see trading for him I guess, but he is probably going to be a FA in 2 years and it&#039;s not like his career is winding down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Johnson has some real injury concerns and I think the Marlins only offering 3 years kind of shows their trust in his arm&#8230; The Yankees refused to give Wang a long term deal for a reason and it happened&#8230;</p>
<p>Johnson would probably only be done with Joba and Hughes+ or Montero+ and I don&#8217;t agree with doing either one, we don&#8217;t need another ace right now we have a 29 year old CC what we need is a solid middle of the rotation guy and some miscellaneous pieces. To trade Montero now would be foolish and trading both Hughes and Joba right now is silly as well when you consider both are at lows on their trade value compared to what it could be&#8230; If 1 of them turns into a close comparison to Johnson and the other one is a 3 or 4 starter they have more value than Johnson does by themselves not counting the other prospects you have to give up.</p>
<p>I can see trading for him I guess, but he is probably going to be a FA in 2 years and it&#8217;s not like his career is winding down.</p>
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		<title>By: Basil Fomeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basil Fomeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Yanks don&#039;t explore acquiring Josh Johnson (if he is indeed available) they&#039;re nuts.  Like your proposal: Montero + young pitchers.  I am not averse to trading either Joba or Hughes plus maybe McAllister for him.  I think he is bona fide stud.  Something that Joba &amp; Hughes must prove yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Yanks don&#8217;t explore acquiring Josh Johnson (if he is indeed available) they&#8217;re nuts.  Like your proposal: Montero + young pitchers.  I am not averse to trading either Joba or Hughes plus maybe McAllister for him.  I think he is bona fide stud.  Something that Joba &amp; Hughes must prove yet.</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA I would agree with Jason... Isn&#039;t the price of the extension the &quot;price of trading for Halladay&quot; and isn&#039;t having to give up 2 or 3 of your top prospects for Halladay the &quot;price of signing Halladay?


Once you get past that and realize that you are trading for a 33 year old Roy Halladay who has no where in his career to go but down and one of the most underachieving players in the game who on Dec 8th will be 31 (Wells) for Montero, probably A.Jackson+.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA I would agree with Jason&#8230; Isn&#8217;t the price of the extension the &#8220;price of trading for Halladay&#8221; and isn&#8217;t having to give up 2 or 3 of your top prospects for Halladay the &#8220;price of signing Halladay?</p>
<p>Once you get past that and realize that you are trading for a 33 year old Roy Halladay who has no where in his career to go but down and one of the most underachieving players in the game who on Dec 8th will be 31 (Wells) for Montero, probably A.Jackson+.</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Vernon Wells in CF doesn&#039;t sure up anything in the defensive outfield! The guy is terrible in the outfield and should be moved to the corner outfield anyway but he doesn&#039;t produce offensively.


Gardner is far and away the best defensive player at CF on our team and Melky is a better CF than Vernon so therefore Gardner &gt; Melky &gt; Wells


Wells would be the worst of the 3 in CF and I would almost guarantee that the Blue Jays would agree, that is the worst contract in baseball and not one statistical category will backup Vernon being a better player and when you add in the money it isn&#039;t close... MJ and Mo are completely right here... I would take Mike Cameron over Wells on both sides of the field!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Vernon Wells in CF doesn&#8217;t sure up anything in the defensive outfield! The guy is terrible in the outfield and should be moved to the corner outfield anyway but he doesn&#8217;t produce offensively.</p>
<p>Gardner is far and away the best defensive player at CF on our team and Melky is a better CF than Vernon so therefore Gardner &gt; Melky &gt; Wells</p>
<p>Wells would be the worst of the 3 in CF and I would almost guarantee that the Blue Jays would agree, that is the worst contract in baseball and not one statistical category will backup Vernon being a better player and when you add in the money it isn&#8217;t close&#8230; MJ and Mo are completely right here&#8230; I would take Mike Cameron over Wells on both sides of the field!!</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and if they did it would be for all low level prospects and be viewed as nothing but a salary dump by the Jays and they would never do that while including Halladay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and if they did it would be for all low level prospects and be viewed as nothing but a salary dump by the Jays and they would never do that while including Halladay.</p>
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