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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/discussion-outside-the-box-offseason-ideas-10323/comment-page-1#comment-8398</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a very expensive bat that I can&#039;t imagine them giving up but can you imagine that lineup?  Just WOW.  If they offer him up for a decent price and Cashman says yes before they can say, &quot;just kidding&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very expensive bat that I can&#8217;t imagine them giving up but can you imagine that lineup?  Just WOW.  If they offer him up for a decent price and Cashman says yes before they can say, &#8220;just kidding&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel Cabrera.  Lots of money and prospects but if we&#039;re are going to relinquish those assets let&#039;s make it for a monster bat who can be our everyday DH while also serving as back up 1B and 3B allowing Teixeira and A-Rod to rest every now and then.  I like this idea A LOT better than trading for a 33 year old who is only going to play once every fifth day Halladay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel Cabrera.  Lots of money and prospects but if we&#8217;re are going to relinquish those assets let&#8217;s make it for a monster bat who can be our everyday DH while also serving as back up 1B and 3B allowing Teixeira and A-Rod to rest every now and then.  I like this idea A LOT better than trading for a 33 year old who is only going to play once every fifth day Halladay.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sticking Cano in the No. 2 hole does not guarantee that he won&#039;t have to hit in situations w/ RISP.</description>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/discussion-outside-the-box-offseason-ideas-10323/comment-page-1#comment-8395</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no way they trade a young, cost-controlled centerfielder for that package.  It&#039;s about quality and not quantity and I just don&#039;t see them doing that without one of Montero, Hughes or Joba in there.  I could be wrong but I think you&#039;re highly over-valuing our prospects</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no way they trade a young, cost-controlled centerfielder for that package.  It&#8217;s about quality and not quantity and I just don&#8217;t see them doing that without one of Montero, Hughes or Joba in there.  I could be wrong but I think you&#8217;re highly over-valuing our prospects</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want a guy in the second hole who doesn&#039;t ground out a lot yet gets on base a ton.  My argument that he strikes out more is simple, Cano hits a lot of line-drives and ground balls which is perfect for a high average but also creates the possibility of a double play.  Swisher doesn&#039;t have a high average yet has a higher on-base percentage while hitting more fly balls and line-drives.  This leads to somebody you want to have in front of your big bats.

I honestly think Cano is more of a 5-hole hitter because I very much believe the BARISP this year was a fluke and his power is developing.  Plus, you&#039;re looking at somebody who puts the ball in play rather than striking out with the guy standing on second.

I also wouldn&#039;t say that Matsui is a lock for 23 homers.  I would say that he&#039;s likely to do so but not a lock by any means.  In none of these arguments, am I suggesting that we ignore Matsui but they wanted out of the box ideas and Nick Johnson is somebody who could produce out of nowhere and really give you a boost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want a guy in the second hole who doesn&#8217;t ground out a lot yet gets on base a ton.  My argument that he strikes out more is simple, Cano hits a lot of line-drives and ground balls which is perfect for a high average but also creates the possibility of a double play.  Swisher doesn&#8217;t have a high average yet has a higher on-base percentage while hitting more fly balls and line-drives.  This leads to somebody you want to have in front of your big bats.</p>
<p>I honestly think Cano is more of a 5-hole hitter because I very much believe the BARISP this year was a fluke and his power is developing.  Plus, you&#8217;re looking at somebody who puts the ball in play rather than striking out with the guy standing on second.</p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t say that Matsui is a lock for 23 homers.  I would say that he&#8217;s likely to do so but not a lock by any means.  In none of these arguments, am I suggesting that we ignore Matsui but they wanted out of the box ideas and Nick Johnson is somebody who could produce out of nowhere and really give you a boost.</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
		<link>http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/discussion-outside-the-box-offseason-ideas-10323/comment-page-1#comment-8393</link>
		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also another reason for trading Edwin Jackson now is that he is free agent after this season (which means Joba and Hughes are out of the deal) and it will not cost a top draft pick to sign him after the season. If he does better next year than he did this year they won&#039;t be able to re-sign him because someone will offer more money (Scott Boras client) and if he takes a step back they won&#039;t re-sign him and they won&#039;t get anything for him once he leaves so if they want something for him they have to deal him now while his value is worth 1 or 2 prospects.


Granderson, E.Jackson
For
A.Jackson, Kennedy, McAllister, Romine, Robertson, Nunez?Miranda?Russo?


They are getting a top C prospect the number 27 ranked prospect in baseball, 2 MLB ready starters, a reliever with the abiltity to take over the spot left by Fernando Rodney and the choice of a 6th option from the lesser pile of prospects. I don&#039;t know if they would do it but it would be a starting point in discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also another reason for trading Edwin Jackson now is that he is free agent after this season (which means Joba and Hughes are out of the deal) and it will not cost a top draft pick to sign him after the season. If he does better next year than he did this year they won&#8217;t be able to re-sign him because someone will offer more money (Scott Boras client) and if he takes a step back they won&#8217;t re-sign him and they won&#8217;t get anything for him once he leaves so if they want something for him they have to deal him now while his value is worth 1 or 2 prospects.</p>
<p>Granderson, E.Jackson<br />
For<br />
A.Jackson, Kennedy, McAllister, Romine, Robertson, Nunez?Miranda?Russo?</p>
<p>They are getting a top C prospect the number 27 ranked prospect in baseball, 2 MLB ready starters, a reliever with the abiltity to take over the spot left by Fernando Rodney and the choice of a 6th option from the lesser pile of prospects. I don&#8217;t know if they would do it but it would be a starting point in discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
		<link>http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/11/discussion-outside-the-box-offseason-ideas-10323/comment-page-1#comment-8392</link>
		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-30037&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-30037&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I think being a DH would help keep Johnson healthy but you’re right, he’s a huge health risk.That’s why he would also be cheap, making this a high-upside move.Cano hopefully turns into a middle of the order guy, I really hope he does.But in the second hole, Swisher gets on base more and strikes out more which leads to less double plays right before your big guns come up.You’re right, I’m not going on statistical proof, I’m going on upside.There’s no way I expect Johnson to put up a .300/.430/.530 guy but I do think he’s capable of it in Yankee Stadium.That’s why it’s a high-upside, low-downside move.&#160;&#160;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I watched Ken Griffey blow out a knee rounding the bases on a HR ball injuries can happen to everyone! He could get hit in the wrist with a ball or take a comebacker off the bat to the shin.

So your argument for Swisher hitting 2nd is he strikeouts more? Are you listening to yourself? Why would you want to move a K threat up in the lineup when you could put a contact hitter in the 2 hole who can get on base more often than Damon did with more power!!


Cano was born for the 2 hole and I have been waiting for years for him to get the chance and now it&#039;s here! You can&#039;t just say one day... The boy is 27 one day is now!



Matsui would cost at max 10 million and that is at the extreme high side and I would expect him to make 7 million for 1 year more realistically,  how is that not better than high risk low reward Johnson? At best Johnson hits 23 HRs... at worst Matsui hits 23 HRs... We know what Matsui can do I will stick with him over the question mark all the way around just because you don&#039;t want Cano hitting 2nd.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-30037" rel="nofollow">Chip</a></strong>: I think being a DH would help keep Johnson healthy but you’re right, he’s a huge health risk.That’s why he would also be cheap, making this a high-upside move.Cano hopefully turns into a middle of the order guy, I really hope he does.But in the second hole, Swisher gets on base more and strikes out more which leads to less double plays right before your big guns come up.You’re right, I’m not going on statistical proof, I’m going on upside.There’s no way I expect Johnson to put up a .300/.430/.530 guy but I do think he’s capable of it in Yankee Stadium.That’s why it’s a high-upside, low-downside move.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>I watched Ken Griffey blow out a knee rounding the bases on a HR ball injuries can happen to everyone! He could get hit in the wrist with a ball or take a comebacker off the bat to the shin.</p>
<p>So your argument for Swisher hitting 2nd is he strikeouts more? Are you listening to yourself? Why would you want to move a K threat up in the lineup when you could put a contact hitter in the 2 hole who can get on base more often than Damon did with more power!!</p>
<p>Cano was born for the 2 hole and I have been waiting for years for him to get the chance and now it&#8217;s here! You can&#8217;t just say one day&#8230; The boy is 27 one day is now!</p>
<p>Matsui would cost at max 10 million and that is at the extreme high side and I would expect him to make 7 million for 1 year more realistically,  how is that not better than high risk low reward Johnson? At best Johnson hits 23 HRs&#8230; at worst Matsui hits 23 HRs&#8230; We know what Matsui can do I will stick with him over the question mark all the way around just because you don&#8217;t want Cano hitting 2nd.</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad... Swisher in RF, Granderson in CF and Cameron in LF making Melky tradeable and Gardner your 4th.


Reports are that Edwin is priced to move more so than Granderson is! Edwin will make a pay increase in his arbitration case (currently making 2.2 million) so they want to get rid of him now in case his value only gets lower. I wouldn&#039;t expect to give up Montero, Hughes or Joba and I bet you could pull off Granderson and Edwin. You might have to include Banuelos and Romine to get it done but it could work with A Jackson replacing Granderson and throwing in Kennedy or McAllister as the MLB ready starter...

Now I don&#039;t think Edwin is going to return to a 3.6 ERA but I wouldn&#039;t expect him to fall off the table completely...

161.0, 10.8 H/9, 4.86 BB/9, 5.76 ERA, .299 OBA
183.1, 9.72 H/9, 3.78 BB/9, 4.42 ERA, .281 OBA
214.0, 8.37 H/9, 2.88 BB/9, 3.62 ERA, .247 OBA

He has been on a 3 year improvement in innings pitched, hits allowed and opponents batting average and shows only a sign of grasping baseball better and having an understanding of who he is as a pitcher.


Edwin for Joba or Hughes? Really? Are you serious? He was traded for Matt Joyce straight up when he went to the Tigers, no way they turn around and ask for that much more, a 27 year old 3rd or 4th starter for a 23 year old possible ace? Doesn&#039;t make sense!

10 million on Pettitte I agree with but 8-10 for Cameron? He made 10 this year and won&#039;t make that this year he made 7 million each year for 4 years before that and only 3 million before that so I doubt he makes 9 and probably only makes 6-8 million for 1 year to play LF and opening up the option to trade Melky in another deal. 7 million I agree with on Matsui anywhere between 6-7 can&#039;t go wrong and 8-10 for Soriano over 3 years which is only 3 per year.

You get young in CF for the next 3-5 years, you upgrade D in LF ona 1 year deal, you add a 26 year old starting pitcher which increases youth and if you do it right you still have Hughes starting as the 5th starter and Joba in the minors as the 6th.


I also don&#039;t buy that younger players are going to get injured less than older ones.... Josh Johnson had TJ surgery at 24? Mariano had TJ in the minors and never suffered injury going forward.... Josh Beckett hasn&#039;t had to be shut down as much since coming to Boston and had more DL time with the Marlins when he was 24. Injury is all about luck and having none, some players get injured when they are young, some old, others throughout their careers. You can&#039;t predict it or stop it injury comes when it wants to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad&#8230; Swisher in RF, Granderson in CF and Cameron in LF making Melky tradeable and Gardner your 4th.</p>
<p>Reports are that Edwin is priced to move more so than Granderson is! Edwin will make a pay increase in his arbitration case (currently making 2.2 million) so they want to get rid of him now in case his value only gets lower. I wouldn&#8217;t expect to give up Montero, Hughes or Joba and I bet you could pull off Granderson and Edwin. You might have to include Banuelos and Romine to get it done but it could work with A Jackson replacing Granderson and throwing in Kennedy or McAllister as the MLB ready starter&#8230;</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t think Edwin is going to return to a 3.6 ERA but I wouldn&#8217;t expect him to fall off the table completely&#8230;</p>
<p>161.0, 10.8 H/9, 4.86 BB/9, 5.76 ERA, .299 OBA<br />
183.1, 9.72 H/9, 3.78 BB/9, 4.42 ERA, .281 OBA<br />
214.0, 8.37 H/9, 2.88 BB/9, 3.62 ERA, .247 OBA</p>
<p>He has been on a 3 year improvement in innings pitched, hits allowed and opponents batting average and shows only a sign of grasping baseball better and having an understanding of who he is as a pitcher.</p>
<p>Edwin for Joba or Hughes? Really? Are you serious? He was traded for Matt Joyce straight up when he went to the Tigers, no way they turn around and ask for that much more, a 27 year old 3rd or 4th starter for a 23 year old possible ace? Doesn&#8217;t make sense!</p>
<p>10 million on Pettitte I agree with but 8-10 for Cameron? He made 10 this year and won&#8217;t make that this year he made 7 million each year for 4 years before that and only 3 million before that so I doubt he makes 9 and probably only makes 6-8 million for 1 year to play LF and opening up the option to trade Melky in another deal. 7 million I agree with on Matsui anywhere between 6-7 can&#8217;t go wrong and 8-10 for Soriano over 3 years which is only 3 per year.</p>
<p>You get young in CF for the next 3-5 years, you upgrade D in LF ona 1 year deal, you add a 26 year old starting pitcher which increases youth and if you do it right you still have Hughes starting as the 5th starter and Joba in the minors as the 6th.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t buy that younger players are going to get injured less than older ones&#8230;. Josh Johnson had TJ surgery at 24? Mariano had TJ in the minors and never suffered injury going forward&#8230;. Josh Beckett hasn&#8217;t had to be shut down as much since coming to Boston and had more DL time with the Marlins when he was 24. Injury is all about luck and having none, some players get injured when they are young, some old, others throughout their careers. You can&#8217;t predict it or stop it injury comes when it wants to.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think being a DH would help keep Johnson healthy but you&#039;re right, he&#039;s a huge health risk.  That&#039;s why he would also be cheap, making this a high-upside move.

Cano hopefully turns into a middle of the order guy, I really hope he does.  But in the second hole, Swisher gets on base more and strikes out more which leads to less double plays right before your big guns come up.

You&#039;re right, I&#039;m not going on statistical proof, I&#039;m going on upside.  There&#039;s no way I expect Johnson to put up a .300/.430/.530 guy but I do think he&#039;s capable of it in Yankee Stadium.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s a high-upside, low-downside move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think being a DH would help keep Johnson healthy but you&#8217;re right, he&#8217;s a huge health risk.  That&#8217;s why he would also be cheap, making this a high-upside move.</p>
<p>Cano hopefully turns into a middle of the order guy, I really hope he does.  But in the second hole, Swisher gets on base more and strikes out more which leads to less double plays right before your big guns come up.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I&#8217;m not going on statistical proof, I&#8217;m going on upside.  There&#8217;s no way I expect Johnson to put up a .300/.430/.530 guy but I do think he&#8217;s capable of it in Yankee Stadium.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a high-upside, low-downside move.</p>
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		<title>By: The other Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They got better from last year to this year and knee surgeries always get better over time (look at the ACL tear takes a full year after surgery to produce right again) and since he only had to have his knees drained once this year it should project for him holding up better next year.


Johnson has injury problems of his own only we don&#039;t know as much about them because our doctor haven&#039;t been treating him like our doctors have with Matsui. Hideki actually produced this year Johnson was just OK I say Matsui deserves a 1 year deal and the DH job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They got better from last year to this year and knee surgeries always get better over time (look at the ACL tear takes a full year after surgery to produce right again) and since he only had to have his knees drained once this year it should project for him holding up better next year.</p>
<p>Johnson has injury problems of his own only we don&#8217;t know as much about them because our doctor haven&#8217;t been treating him like our doctors have with Matsui. Hideki actually produced this year Johnson was just OK I say Matsui deserves a 1 year deal and the DH job.</p>
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