Comments on: What's Going on with Joba's fastball? http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223 The Blog Formerly Known As The Yankee Universe Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:16:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Looking beyond Joba for some fourth options | River Avenue Blues http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14459 Looking beyond Joba for some fourth options | River Avenue Blues Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:01:08 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14459 [...] As Steve S. as The Yankee Universe wrote nearly two weeks ago, Joba’s fastball velocity is right where it should be based on his scouting reports, and Sunday’s start was no exception. Joba flashed a decent [...] [...] As Steve S. as The Yankee Universe wrote nearly two weeks ago, Joba’s fastball velocity is right where it should be based on his scouting reports, and Sunday’s start was no exception. Joba flashed a decent [...]

]]> By: sandra742 http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14458 sandra742 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:20:26 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14458 Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog. :) Cheers! Sandra. R. Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post… nice! I love your blog. :) Cheers! Sandra. R.

]]> By: Kevin M. http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14457 Kevin M. Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:48:21 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14457 Your scouting reports are from a teenager in college. Would you rely on scouting reports from his Little League days too? How does that compare to the scouting reports from our own eyes of watching Joba start pre-injury last year? Did that not happen? Does the data to support his average FB of over 95 MPH AS a STARTER not matter? Cut the BS here....you guys are too good for the quite frankly embarrasing "analysis" your putting forth here. Your scouting reports are from a teenager in college. Would you rely on scouting reports from his Little League days too?

How does that compare to the scouting reports from our own eyes of watching Joba start pre-injury last year? Did that not happen? Does the data to support his average FB of over 95 MPH AS a STARTER not matter?

Cut the BS here….you guys are too good for the quite frankly embarrasing “analysis” your putting forth here.

]]> By: Steve S. http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14456 Steve S. Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:56:55 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14456 The scouting reports I both cited and linked are from Keith Law and Baseball America. You cited an unlinked second hand quote from Alan Horne's father. I'll let the readers decide who to believe. The scouting reports I both cited and linked are from Keith Law and Baseball America. You cited an unlinked second hand quote from Alan Horne’s father. I’ll let the readers decide who to believe.

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14455 The other Chris H Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:59:40 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14455 Joba has always had terrible grips on his own mechanics and even before the year Eiland changed them again to help him go deeper in games and help him repeat it, I think that may be another problem with his velocity, he is worried about all this extra stuff going on trying to go deep, not be injured, strike guys out, worry about his inning limits and I think he hasn't worked as much on getting his mechanics down and repeating them every delivery. You can see the change when he starts getting frustrated and hit, that is why Eiland makes so many trips out if he can master his mechanics that may also help him get a few MPH on the gun. This would explain why when he was in college and had even less help with his mechanics he didn't throw as hard and when the Yankees worked with him originally it went up. I think in the end it is probably a mix of all these things. Joba has always had terrible grips on his own mechanics and even before the year Eiland changed them again to help him go deeper in games and help him repeat it, I think that may be another problem with his velocity, he is worried about all this extra stuff going on trying to go deep, not be injured, strike guys out, worry about his inning limits and I think he hasn’t worked as much on getting his mechanics down and repeating them every delivery. You can see the change when he starts getting frustrated and hit, that is why Eiland makes so many trips out if he can master his mechanics that may also help him get a few MPH on the gun. This would explain why when he was in college and had even less help with his mechanics he didn’t throw as hard and when the Yankees worked with him originally it went up. I think in the end it is probably a mix of all these things.

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14454 The other Chris H Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:55:25 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14454 He doesn't crank it up for one pitch early in games it is more of a consistent rise, you can almost chart his growth, the fastball velocity slowly rises about a MPH or 2 per inning from the 1st or 2nd on it's strange but it shows he isn't throwing as hard as he can from the beginning which should give hope for the velocity going up next year and maybe even in the playoffs. He doesn’t crank it up for one pitch early in games it is more of a consistent rise, you can almost chart his growth, the fastball velocity slowly rises about a MPH or 2 per inning from the 1st or 2nd on it’s strange but it shows he isn’t throwing as hard as he can from the beginning which should give hope for the velocity going up next year and maybe even in the playoffs.

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14453 The other Chris H Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:53:15 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14453 Joba throwing 95 deep into games isn't the worry, when he gets deep in the game he maintains velocity, heck the fastest ball I have seen him throw this year was 98 in the 8th inning of his first 8 inning start. It seems to be with the start for Joba, when he starts throwing 93 in the first he gets up to 95-97 in the 5-8 inning range it just keeps rising, I think this is do to confidence and and slowly emptying the tank towards the end, that is why I believe once the rules are gone he will know how to throw a little harder through out instead of waiting for the 7th or 8th to hit 97. Joba throwing 95 deep into games isn’t the worry, when he gets deep in the game he maintains velocity, heck the fastest ball I have seen him throw this year was 98 in the 8th inning of his first 8 inning start. It seems to be with the start for Joba, when he starts throwing 93 in the first he gets up to 95-97 in the 5-8 inning range it just keeps rising, I think this is do to confidence and and slowly emptying the tank towards the end, that is why I believe once the rules are gone he will know how to throw a little harder through out instead of waiting for the 7th or 8th to hit 97.

]]> By: The other Chris H http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14452 The other Chris H Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:50:10 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14452 Have to agree with Mo I watched him start last year and throw much harder than he has this year with the exceptions of a few games here or there where he had decent velocity. Have to agree with Mo I watched him start last year and throw much harder than he has this year with the exceptions of a few games here or there where he had decent velocity.

]]> By: Moshe Mandel http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14451 Moshe Mandel Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:31:51 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14451 Well, he is suggesting that a few scouting sources had him at 91-94 in college, which is about where he is now. As someone said above, I believe the Yankees eked some more MPH out of his arm, but the guy the Yankees drafted was at about his current velocity. How would you explain those scouting reports? Well, he is suggesting that a few scouting sources had him at 91-94 in college, which is about where he is now. As someone said above, I believe the Yankees eked some more MPH out of his arm, but the guy the Yankees drafted was at about his current velocity. How would you explain those scouting reports?

]]> By: Kevin M. http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/09/whats-going-on-with-jobas-fastball-7223/comment-page-1#comment-14450 Kevin M. Mon, 07 Sep 2009 18:23:56 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7223#comment-14450 Probably one of your worst posts ever. To say there's not an ENORMOUS difference between Joba's FB as a starter pre and post shoulder injury is crazy. Those of us who followed him coming up in the minors in 07 know he was sitting 95-97 AS A STARTER, and touching 99-100. In fact I recall one report from Alan Horne's father who said Alan had the gun on him one start in AA, and when Joba got in a bit of trouble he threw 7 straight FB's at 99 or above. But there's not need to go back that far....just look at him as a starter last season pre-injury. His FB was 95-97...you might see one or two 92's a game, but nothing lower than that. Now I've seen starts where he sits at 89-91 mph. We can disagree till the end of time as to WHY this is the case, but please don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining by telling me his FB hasn't lost anything since he hurt his shoulder. You guys are better than that. Probably one of your worst posts ever. To say there’s not an ENORMOUS difference between Joba’s FB as a starter pre and post shoulder injury is crazy. Those of us who followed him coming up in the minors in 07 know he was sitting 95-97 AS A STARTER, and touching 99-100. In fact I recall one report from Alan Horne’s father who said Alan had the gun on him one start in AA, and when Joba got in a bit of trouble he threw 7 straight FB’s at 99 or above.

But there’s not need to go back that far….just look at him as a starter last season pre-injury. His FB was 95-97…you might see one or two 92’s a game, but nothing lower than that. Now I’ve seen starts where he sits at 89-91 mph.

We can disagree till the end of time as to WHY this is the case, but please don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining by telling me his FB hasn’t lost anything since he hurt his shoulder. You guys are better than that.

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