Comments on: One Last Post On Flipping Damon and Jeter http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910 The Blog Formerly Known As The Yankee Universe Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:52:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Chris H. http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4668 Chris H. Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:19:17 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4668 Very true. Very true.

]]> By: Moshe Mandel http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4667 Moshe Mandel Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:04:44 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4667 At this point, that might be a lot to put on Gardner. With him hitting 9th, you get the same effect everytime through except the first. At this point, that might be a lot to put on Gardner. With him hitting 9th, you get the same effect everytime through except the first.

]]> By: Chris H. http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4666 Chris H. Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:59:57 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4666 Moshe, I love the flip 'em idea. If Gardner could be a good leadoff hitter, a Gardner, Jeter, Damon order would nice. Moshe, I love the flip ‘em idea. If Gardner could be a good leadoff hitter, a Gardner, Jeter, Damon order would nice.

]]> By: Moshe Mandel http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4665 Moshe Mandel Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:11:41 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4665 Jeter is no longer the perfect situational guy, because he hits too many grounders, helping him snuff out rallies. And who cares about fouling off pitches if all we are doing is flipping them? He can do that from the 2 hole as well. Jeter is no longer the perfect situational guy, because he hits too many grounders, helping him snuff out rallies. And who cares about fouling off pitches if all we are doing is flipping them? He can do that from the 2 hole as well.

]]> By: Moshe Mandel http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4664 Moshe Mandel Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:10:05 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4664 His propensity to hit grounders in general is much higher in the last 4 seasons than it was earlier. While I dont have GIDP rate numbers per AB, eyeballing the numbers show a pretty high increase in GIDP over the last 2 years. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=826&position=SS His propensity to hit grounders in general is much higher in the last 4 seasons than it was earlier. While I dont have GIDP rate numbers per AB, eyeballing the numbers show a pretty high increase in GIDP over the last 2 years.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=826&position=SS

]]> By: mryankee http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4663 mryankee Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:05:54 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4663 Keep Jeter at the second hole I think Johnny damon's ability to take and folu off pitches ad his spped is best suited for lead off my and Jeter is a perfect situational hitter-Bythe way think the red sox fans have noticed that Brett Gardner is having a much better spring thn the golden boy Jacoby Ellsbury- Keep Jeter at the second hole I think Johnny damon’s ability to take and folu off pitches ad his spped is best suited for lead off my and Jeter is a perfect situational hitter-Bythe way think the red sox fans have noticed that Brett Gardner is having a much better spring thn the golden boy Jacoby Ellsbury-

]]> By: JD http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4662 JD Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:57:44 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4662 Scott I, I have the same feeling as you that Jeter does not have an obvious role with the Yankees after this contract. However, I cannot imagine him playing elsewhere. He has kept himself pretty healthy and can make the transition to the outfield, where I suspect he will be fine defensively and hit around .280-.320 with 8-12 HRs. Assuming the economics and years workout, then the Yankees will keep him for more years. I wonder about Jeter's makeup and specifically how he will tolerate not being "the man" from a salary standpoint. So many of these athletes have trouble adjusting to the ego-smashing impact of growing old. I hope Jeter can navigate that better than most. Moshe, This is very interesting analysis. As much as I love Jeter, I cursed him very often last year with GIDPs. Do you have any trend info on GIDPs for Jeter year-on-year? I suspect that he was pretty bad among second hole hitters last year and that his proponsetity to hit into GIDPs is way up over the last couple of years. Scott I,

I have the same feeling as you that Jeter does not have an obvious role with the Yankees after this contract. However, I cannot imagine him playing elsewhere. He has kept himself pretty healthy and can make the transition to the outfield, where I suspect he will be fine defensively and hit around .280-.320 with 8-12 HRs. Assuming the economics and years workout, then the Yankees will keep him for more years. I wonder about Jeter’s makeup and specifically how he will tolerate not being “the man” from a salary standpoint. So many of these athletes have trouble adjusting to the ego-smashing impact of growing old. I hope Jeter can navigate that better than most.

Moshe,

This is very interesting analysis. As much as I love Jeter, I cursed him very often last year with GIDPs. Do you have any trend info on GIDPs for Jeter year-on-year? I suspect that he was pretty bad among second hole hitters last year and that his proponsetity to hit into GIDPs is way up over the last couple of years.

]]> By: Moshe Mandel http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4661 Moshe Mandel Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:42:03 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4661 I would not platoon Damon. However, to keep him rested, I would sit him against the really tough lefties. In regard to Jeter, He will be a Yankee until he retires. We may not think it the most prudent move, but they are almost certain to resign him. I would not platoon Damon. However, to keep him rested, I would sit him against the really tough lefties. In regard to Jeter, He will be a Yankee until he retires. We may not think it the most prudent move, but they are almost certain to resign him.

]]> By: scott l http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4660 scott l Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:37:45 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4660 First off Jeter is done as Yankee after this contract. There is really no role for him and with younger players becoming more ready the writing is on wall. If he doesn't know it now he will soon enough. He's had a great run. Flipping Jeter and Damon should also be considered so Damon can be more easily platooned. Damon is just not that damn good. The only reason he had a great overall season last year is he hit a career best against right handed pitching. His babip against right handed pitching was .339 compared to his career average of .306. Add to that he had an ops against lefties of .705 and .710 the last 2 years and his ba last year against them was a paltry .258. Both Nady and Swisher are better against lefties. First off Jeter is done as Yankee after this contract. There is really no role for him and with younger players becoming more ready the writing is on wall. If he doesn’t know it now he will soon enough. He’s had a great run.

Flipping Jeter and Damon should also be considered so Damon can be more easily platooned. Damon is just not that damn good. The only reason he had a great overall season last year is he hit a career best against right handed pitching. His babip against right handed pitching was .339 compared to his career average of .306. Add to that he had an ops against lefties of .705 and .710 the last 2 years and his ba last year against them was a paltry .258.

Both Nady and Swisher are better against lefties.

]]> By: Moshe Mandel http://www.theyankeeu.com/2009/03/one-last-post-on-flipping-damon-and-jeter-1910/comment-page-1#comment-4659 Moshe Mandel Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:22:06 +0000 http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=1910#comment-4659 Yeah, it doesnt get much worse, and now everyone will forget that he had a decent season defensively last year. Maybe he will become underrated defensively. Yeah, it doesnt get much worse, and now everyone will forget that he had a decent season defensively last year. Maybe he will become underrated defensively.

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