Comments on: Who else is on the list?

By: Chofo

Chofo — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:24:20 +0000

Not counting Arod, there were are al least 88 players on steroids in the Mitchell Report, so it´s no that far away from the 104 on that list. Here´s the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

I guess many of the ones reported on the MItchell Report are not included in the 2003 list, sice they were retired, so expect more surprises. But I wouldn´t expect another big name or that would be out there by now.

By: leftylarry

leftylarry — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 03:47:30 +0000

Many of the Dominican players, including Pedro who added 4 MPH in v3locity during that period and Big Papi too.
Pedro was not throwing with the Dodgers like he threw later on and hadn’t been any good since they started testing.

By: Chris H.

Chris H. — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:39:17 +0000

Ha! Living in Seattle, I had the opportunity to see Cairo play first base for the Mariners on a number of different occasions. It was interesting because Richie Sexson—their former 1B—ended up going to the Yankees, so there was a Yankee connection on both sides of that situation.

By: Tripp

Tripp — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:06:26 +0000

I think Miguel Cairo is on it. That one year he hit .292 for the Yankees if a definite sign of steroids.

By: Moshe Mandel

Moshe Mandel — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:48:18 +0000

2005 does poke a fairly large hole in that theory. He never struck me as a user.

By: Chris H.

Chris H. — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:29:08 +0000

Jason Schmidt should probably be on my list…

By: Chris H.

Chris H. — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:08:12 +0000

I agree. There are always cheaters, it just depends on the context and the science of the times.

By: oldpep

oldpep — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:07:10 +0000

If you were responding to me: I know a lot more pitchers doctored the baseball, but that’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to them using steroids. It makes sense that a guy who spends 4 of 5 days recovering from what he does on the 5th to want something to hasten that process. For relievers the ‘need’ would seem even greater.

BTW no list of pitchers who doctored the ball would be complete without Lew Burdette.

By: Mark Da Rosa

Mark Da Rosa — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:54:36 +0000

Just listing two pitchers who have done it, were caught doing it and made it to the Hall of Fame. I’m just providing these two as examples. Doctoring baseballs was common.

By: Josh Levin

Josh Levin — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:54:25 +0000

Ok…
Take a look at his numbers. Sure they’re great. But do you agree that he was most dominant during the supposed steroid era? If you said yes to that then here’s my backup reasoning. We have learned from A-Rod’s case that the testing began in 2004. Take a look at his stats, say from 2000-2003. Then look at the downward spiral they took after that. In 2003 he was 10 games over .500 with a 2.22 ERA, in ‘04 he was 7 games over with a 3.90 ERA. Then there’s the times where he would just seem to endlessly beam opponents, and the time where he threw Zimmer to the ground, that’s ‘roid rage. It’s widely known that after you get off steroids, you’re body weakens and makes it a lot easier to be injured by less significant things. Since 2003, he has been hurt ump-teen times and his body began breaking down at the ripe age of roughly 33-34. That’s too young for that dominant of a pitcher to begin to deteriorate. Yeah, he’s only 35, but I believe his body is older than that due to steroid abuse in the 1990’s and early 2000’s.

The one thing that goes against this argument was his terrific 2005 season. Other than that, I would put a lot of money on Pedro being a former user.