Feb 102009
Alex Rodriguez has been outed, now, what other names do you think may be featured in the 2003 results (there are 104 in total)? I don’t consider this to be inappropriate speculation, instead, I think it’s only fair for us to wonder about who the other names are since they have yet to be released. If one guy’s name is released, release them all, right? Here are a few players that I think could be on the list.
1. Barry Bonds
2. Bret Boone
3. Jason Giambi
4. Aubrey Huff
5. Bill Mueller
6. Gary Sheffield
7. Javy Lopez
8. Eric Gagne
9. Sammy Sosa
10. Richard Hidalgo
11. Jeff Bagwell
12. Miguel Tejada
13. Kevin Brown
Who do you think is on the list?
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I would take Mueller off, put Millar on. Also, I bet Pudge is on the list, and I would not be shocked if David Ortiz showed up as well as Nomar. I am still holding out hope that Sosa was clean: there has been zero evidence regarding him and steroids.
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I’m still waiting for some Red Sox to be named. My candidates would be Millar, Varitek, Lowell, Ortiz and Schilling.
I also suspect some more Bay area players to be outed like Chavez, Kent, Benito Santiago and maybe one of the A’s big three.
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I think that this kind of speculation is both dangerous and silly. Baseball history is filled with players who had strangely great seasons and then were forgotten. Just because Javy Lopez had a short power streak doesn’t mean he’s on steroids – it just means he had a short power streak.
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Moshe Mandel Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I guess speculation like this is why everybody who deserves to should got to the HOF- you cant really know what was real and what was not.
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Chris H. Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I agree and also think that this is silly.
That’s why they must FREE THE LIST! Why speculate?
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I think the names you have a pretty accurate. I would also add Pedro Martinez to that list. If you want to know why I think that, just ask me. I don’t want to type it all out unless I really have to.
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Josh, when you say it like that, I have to ask- why Pedro?
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Josh Levin Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Ok…
Take a look at his numbers. Sure they’re great. But do you agree that he was most dominant during the supposed steroid era? If you said yes to that then here’s my backup reasoning. We have learned from A-Rod’s case that the testing began in 2004. Take a look at his stats, say from 2000-2003. Then look at the downward spiral they took after that. In 2003 he was 10 games over .500 with a 2.22 ERA, in ‘04 he was 7 games over with a 3.90 ERA. Then there’s the times where he would just seem to endlessly beam opponents, and the time where he threw Zimmer to the ground, that’s ‘roid rage. It’s widely known that after you get off steroids, you’re body weakens and makes it a lot easier to be injured by less significant things. Since 2003, he has been hurt ump-teen times and his body began breaking down at the ripe age of roughly 33-34. That’s too young for that dominant of a pitcher to begin to deteriorate. Yeah, he’s only 35, but I believe his body is older than that due to steroid abuse in the 1990’s and early 2000’s.
The one thing that goes against this argument was his terrific 2005 season. Other than that, I would put a lot of money on Pedro being a former user.
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Moshe Mandel Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
2005 does poke a fairly large hole in that theory. He never struck me as a user.
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What I do not like about what is happening to Arod, is that he may have cheated but many baseball players have cheated whether it was by taking steroids or not. During this era, steroids has been what has allowed for players to cheat, but there was more than one way to cheat. During the ’70s amphetamines were used constantly to improve players’ performances, but these people seemed to be overlooked. Pitchers decades ago used to cheat by doctoring the ball, whether spitting on it, placing dirt or using pine tar. Hall of Famers and even Yankee greats such as Whitey Ford, and Gaylord Perry have admitted to committing such acts, but they are not referred to at all as cheaters and are in the Hall of Fame. Even though Arod cheated and was caught, do not crucify him thinking that he was one of few, this is a major problem in baseball, and if it isn’t steroids it will be something else to give the players an edge.
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Chris H. Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I agree. There are always cheaters, it just depends on the context and the science of the times.
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I think a lot more pitchers used than that. I think position players tend more towards uppers
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Just listing two pitchers who have done it, were caught doing it and made it to the Hall of Fame. I’m just providing these two as examples. Doctoring baseballs was common.
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If you were responding to me: I know a lot more pitchers doctored the baseball, but that’s not what I was referring to. I was referring to them using steroids. It makes sense that a guy who spends 4 of 5 days recovering from what he does on the 5th to want something to hasten that process. For relievers the ‘need’ would seem even greater.
BTW no list of pitchers who doctored the ball would be complete without Lew Burdette.
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Jason Schmidt should probably be on my list…
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I think Miguel Cairo is on it. That one year he hit .292 for the Yankees if a definite sign of steroids.
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Chris H. Reply:
February 10th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Ha! Living in Seattle, I had the opportunity to see Cairo play first base for the Mariners on a number of different occasions. It was interesting because Richie Sexson—their former 1B—ended up going to the Yankees, so there was a Yankee connection on both sides of that situation.
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Many of the Dominican players, including Pedro who added 4 MPH in v3locity during that period and Big Papi too.
Pedro was not throwing with the Dodgers like he threw later on and hadn’t been any good since they started testing.
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Not counting Arod, there were are al least 88 players on steroids in the Mitchell Report, so it´s no that far away from the 104 on that list. Here´s the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646
I guess many of the ones reported on the MItchell Report are not included in the 2003 list, sice they were retired, so expect more surprises. But I wouldn´t expect another big name or that would be out there by now.
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